April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cleardirect]

Dude, I assure you that the Court wasn't making it up. You're an IDIOT.

I did not say the court made it up. I asked the question which party got it wrong? Do you know? Can you answer the question?

I list the way all three parties named their filings. So idiot who was the judge talking about? US Airways, the west or usapa?

 

[Bill Brasky]

I did not say the court made it up. I asked the question which party got it wrong? Do you know? Can you answer the question?

I list the way all three parties named their filings. So idiot who was the judge talking about? US Airways, the west or usapa?

Since he cited the west, I would guess he meant the west. Oh, I see. When your world view doesn't agree with reality, just change reality.

There is really something wrong with you.

 

[mrbreeze]

The merits of that LUP question were already determined once and both the lower court and the dissenting justice at the Ninth (looking past ripeness to the merits) said there could be no legitimate union purpose for discarding the result of a binding arbitration process which results in advancing east pilots to the harm of the west pilots.

This is where your train leaves the track. The lower court ruling was thrown out by the 9th and the dissenting justice was out voted.

Let's have a trial on the merits, with no hamstrings from Wake, and see what happens.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Since he cited the west, I would guess he meant the west. Oh, I see. When your world view doesn't agree with reality, just change reality.

There is really something wrong with you.

If you want to understand Sheldon, just watch a few episodes of the Big Bang Theory. I am not surprised that he is immediately trying to spin some new BS.
breeze

 

[CallawayGolf]

This is where your train leaves the track. The lower court ruling was thrown out by the 9th and the dissenting justice was out ruled.

breeze

You do understand that the Majority on the Ninth expressly stated they had no jurisdictional authority to view or comment on the merits of the case. The lower court and the dissenting justice did look at the merits and they are the only two federal judges that have looked at the merits. Silver warned that a LUP would be necessary to discard the NIC which is my point. The only two justices who took on the merits said there is no LUP for discarding an arbitration award.

 

[mrbreeze]

You do understand that the Majority on the Ninth expressly stated they had no jurisdictional authority to view or comment on the merits of the case. The lower court and the dissenting justice did look at the merits and they are the only two federal judges that have looked at the merits. Silver warned that a LUP would be necessary to discard the NIC which is my point. The only two justices who took on the merits said there is no LUP for discarding an arbitration award.

Yes, I understand that.

But what merits? The ones that Wake hobbled in his court? You're like nic4us, you need to view the whole story, not just what makes your train stay on the tracks.

As long as you go "all in" that the NIC belongs to you and is the starting point, you will always have it wrong. The NIC was accepted by the company, however, when USAPA presented the DOH list, Parker called a time out because he could see the mounting storm of litigation. You do not own the NIC yet, and my bet is that you never will. Don't get me wrong, I am not for strict DOH, but I think we can do better than the NIC.

breeze

 

[CallawayGolf]

Yes, I understand that.

But what merits? The ones that Wake hobbled in his court? You're like nic4us, you need to view the whole story, not just what makes your train stay on the tracks.

breeze

Fill me in. What other court has looked at the merits besides Wake and Bybee? What precisely am I missing?

 

[mrbreeze]

Fill me in. What other court has looked at the merits besides Wake and Bybee? What precisely am I missing?

None, and that's my point. The WHOLE picture with ALL the merits need to be looked at, not just what keeps your train on the tracks. I am trying to be fair.

However, with the AA merger and all of the agreement on the MOU.....I think the clock has run out for you guys.
breeze

 

[EastUS1]

Just because it happen before does not mean it will always happen.

True. Consider the Wake circus as you make that observation. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

I'm afraid you guys are conviently forgeting where the court warned you that any list you create will be held up against the nic.

"...any list you create will be held up against the nic..."? Cite anything from any standing court rulings that even comes close to stating that....?

 

[mrbreeze]

"...any list you create will be held up against the nic..."? Cite anything from any standing court rulings that even comes close to stating that....?

Exactly, thx!!!

 

[EastUS1]

East coast jazz is phenomenal. West coast jazz is good too. A lot of people think it was/is just an off shoot of east coast jazz, but it actually started and matured around LA, parallel with stuff in NY. Either way, it's all good. In my opinion anyway.

That much; we have perfect agreement on. 😉

 

[cleardirect]

Since he cited the west, I would guess he meant the west. Oh, I see. When your world view doesn't agree with reality, just change reality.

There is really something wrong with you.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that all future documents filed in this action
must be captioned according to the party capitalization requirement of LRCiv
7.1(a)(3) (“Party names must be capitalized using proper upper and lower case type.&rdquo😉

Where does this order cite the west? It does not say which party was not following the rules.

 

[cleardirect]

This is where your train leaves the track. The lower court ruling was thrown out by the 9th and the dissenting justice was out voted.

Let's have a trial on the merits, with no hamstrings from Wake, and see what happens.

breeze

Very good. So usapa needs to stop crying ripeness and we can get to the merits. We already won on the merits once.

By hamstring you mean that we will stick to the facts of the DFR and not "fairness" of the Nicolau. Does not matter what judge we get the Nicolau is not going to be on trial only usapa actions.

 

[EastUS1]

..... we will stick to the facts of the DFR and not "fairness" of the Nicolau.

An excellent strategy...otherwise...you would leave any people listening to the fantasized "fairness" uncontrollably laughing themselves outta' their seats. 🙂

I can just imagine your testimony: "Hi folks...I'm cleardirect, a minor mesa nebbish that then took a job at the only airline that'd actually hire me. Pretty impressive, huh guys? How do you like me so far? 🙂 I'm now about to become part of the world's largest airline...through absolutely NO/zip/zero/nada personal merits, just pure, dumb luck. I can now expect a career that will allow me access to magnificent aircraft and worldwide destinations, at what looks to likely be a respectable level of compensation that's far beyond even my wildest dreams ever at good old AWA.... But...but...BUT!...I beez jess' a po' abused liddle child, ifn' I don's gits mah magic nic, which would provide me the chance to jump ahead of people that've worked more than a full decade or even more, longer than myself. Take pity on me and...well...Waaah!...just gimme my nic!" 🙂

GO "spartans"!!! 😉