April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Your view of fairness is just plain fcuked. Relative seniority is fair. DOH places all of your formerly furloughed pilots above most of our captains. I am sick of pointing that out so you can take your righteous anger and shove it up your ass.

You are a fool for supporting your angry fo's. Everyone knows it but you. My guess is that you support them more because you are afraid of them than that you are trying to do the right thing.

Pussies such as yourself have no business being captains.

Relax Frances. It will probably go Nic-type methodology of integration for all pilots with a snapshot sometime later this year. Just don't get caught out on a voluntary furlough.

 

[nic4us]

Little Nicky Four should have listened more closely as Scott Kirby told Capt. Gay CLEARDIRECTLY -"NO"
Nicky, NO, means NO.

"everyone's position will be heard".

Very interesting statement. What do you make of that? Will there be AOL reps during the SLI, what about TWA folks, they get a voice?......me thinks Mr. Kirby has more splainin to do.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

"everyone's position will be heard".

Very interesting statement. What do you make of that? Will there be AOL reps during the SLI, what about TWA folks, they get a voice?......me thinks Mr. Kirby has more splainin to do.

No mystery here. Of course the arbitrators will be made aware of all history, applicable or not. That would include your "postition." Like I said a while back, what person in the industry is not aware of that abomination Nic?

Unlike Wake's clown court, USAPA will be able to add to that history. Everyone involved will agree, no matter what methodology is eventually used, that putting a new hire ahead of a 17 year pilot will not stand.

What are you doing now, going back to the crew room tape to find some twisted, glimmer of hope? Let me sum it up for you and Gay..."No."

Greeter

 

[Pi brat]

You couldn't be more wrong, but then again, you usually are. I dare you to offer one item of proof to your statement.

You really aren't one to talk about someone else being wrong, are you?




[background=#fff] Ames Today, 11:43 AM [12/31/2011]

Well said. I, too, will go on record to say that the seniority fight will be over upon Judge Silver's ruling. There is no doubt the east will continue to stamp their feet, hold their breath, and cry but the fight will be over. Tantrums will continue but they will be totally impotent.[/background]

 

[Res Judicata]

You really aren't one to talk about someone else being wrong, are you?




[background=#fff] Ames Today, 11:43 AM [12/31/2011]

Well said. I, too, will go on record to say that the seniority fight will be over upon Judge Silver's ruling. There is no doubt the east will continue to stamp their feet, hold their breath, and cry but the fight will be over. Tantrums will continue but they will be totally impotent.[/background]

In fairness, Silver was initially adamant she was going to rule on this. I doubt many thought she would change her mind a year later. Nothing has really changed except for the clear dangerous ground comment and plainly warning to the company they will be held liable if they agree to a sli without an LUP. Something we all know USTUPID doesn't have.

 

[dca319]

Oh Dan, you need a reality check. Just because we don't follow you and the Munn succubus fantasy. We lost money because you, traitor, Munn and your rightgeous West family don't believe in the legal definition of seniority.

Your redefinition of it has cost everyone and that's a fact.

We will never follow you and your submissive ideology.

No strong arming going on here.

 

[dca319]

So who are you? A very junior f/o wanting to be something.

Nope.

 

[traderjake]

We lost money because you, traitor, Munn and your rightgeous West family don't believe in the legal definition of seniority.

Your redefinition of it has cost everyone and that's a fact.

Be sure to bring your dictionary to court and the next seniority arbitration because apparently the arbiters of the last four didn't have one.

 

[traderjake]

Post Trial Brief of Defendant PBGC (PIC Investigation)

USAPA conducted discovery for 18 months, including 17 depositions and receipt of more than 200,000 pages of documents. Despite that, USAPA has been unable to identify a single meritorious claim against the Plan’s former officials.

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/post_trial_brief.pdf


Defendant PBGC's Post-Trial Proposed Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law (PIC Investigation)

On March 3, 2003, the United States Bankruptcy Court in the Eastern District of Virginia found that the funding shortfall for the U.S. Airways defined benefit plans was created by two factors, “First, protracted poor performance by the stock market had resulted in a significant decline in the value of the plan assets. Second, the decline in long-term interest rates to a 40-year historic low had increased the amount of the current liabilities for the plans, since current liabilities are determined based on the cost of an annuity to pay the specified benefit, and that cost, in turn, rises as long-term interest rates fall.” 296 B.R. 734, 738 (Bankr. E.D.Va. 2003), Trial Exhibit D-32.

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/pbgc_finding_fact.pdf

 

[Walmartgreeter]

In fairness, Silver was initially adamant she was going to rule on this. I doubt many thought she would change her mind a year later. Nothing has really changed except for the clear dangerous ground comment and plainly warning to the company they will be held liable if they agree to a sli without an LUP. Something we all know USTUPID doesn't have.

Not sure if that is a "slip" on your part or a typo. How would anyone know what Silver "was going to rule?" All that matters is her ruling, and she clearly, and without any doubt, told the Company and USAPA no free passes, negotiate as you please, but be wary of not treating everyone fairly.

Again, and again, and again...I don't agree with your LUP bs. But if I did, solving an 8 year seniority log jam and getting everyone paid looks pretty good for USAPA, especially since 98% of the West Class agreed with the new premise/process.

Greeter

 

[Res Judicata]

Post Trial Brief of Defendant PBGC (PIC Investigation)

USAPA conducted discovery for 18 months, including 17 depositions and receipt of more than 200,000 pages of documents. Despite that, USAPA has been unable to identify a single meritorious claim against the Plan’s former officials.

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/post_trial_brief.pdf


Defendant PBGC's Post-Trial Proposed Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law (PIC Investigation)

On March 3, 2003, the United States Bankruptcy Court in the Eastern District of Virginia found that the funding shortfall for the U.S. Airways defined benefit plans was created by two factors, “First, protracted poor performance by the stock market had resulted in a significant decline in the value of the plan assets. Second, the decline in long-term interest rates to a 40-year historic low had increased the amount of the current liabilities for the plans, since current liabilities are determined based on the cost of an annuity to pay the specified benefit, and that cost, in turn, rises as long-term interest rates fall.” 296 B.R. 734, 738 (Bankr. E.D.Va. 2003), Trial Exhibit D-32.

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/pbgc_finding_fact.pdf

Man!!! Why does USAPA always get stuck with the senile, incompetent Judges?!!! Don't they know they're the most "senior" pilot group in the universe? Congrats on pissing away another 4 million dollars morons. Pretty sure you were adequately warned this would happen. But then again, when did stern warnings from credible sources EVER change your direction? Uh...never? Get used to it. The big smack down awaits. This latest embarrassment is a mere drop in the bucket foreshadowing your fake unions future.

 

[Res Judicata]

Not sure if that is a "slip" on your part or a typo. How would anyone know what Silver "was going to rule?" All that matters is her ruling, and she clearly, and without any doubt, told the Company and USAPA no free passes, negotiate as you please, but be wary of not treating everyone fairly.

Again, and again, and again...I don't agree with your LUP bs. But if I did, solving an 8 year seniority log jam and getting everyone paid looks pretty good for USAPA, especially since 98% of the West Class agreed with the new premise/process.

Greeter

No slip. Read the transcripts...all there in plain sight. Best of luck convincing anybody that self hostage taking is an adequate LUP. Also, you apparently failed to read any part of the MOU as well. You don't seem to have the foggiest understanding what that document actually is. Where are the "West Pilots"(whomever they are) listed as a party to the agreement and where exactly in this process does it say you get an East/west do over?

You're just setting yourself up for more anger and disbelief. You really should recognize the warning signs of failure by now.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Man!!! Why does USAPA always get stuck with the senile, incompetent Judges?!!! Don't they know they're the most "senior" pilot group in the universe? Congrats on pissing away another 4 million dollars morons. Pretty sure you were adequately warned this would happen. But then again, when did stern warnings from credible sources EVER change your direction? Uh...never? Get used to it. The big smack down awaits. This latest embarrassment is a mere drop in the bucket foreshadowing your fake unions future.

Res, I actually agree with you on the PIC. Waste of time. But why is that process, actually voted on by everyone but only paid by the East....any less fruitful than your antics in the courts, the latest being the most ridiculous? 8 years apart, almost 6 chasing Nic with Judge after Judge after Court telling you the NIC was not going to be used. And now finally, Kirby..."no."

We have tilted at windmills via the PIC, you via the NIC. Brothers in arms.

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

No slip. Read the transcripts...all there in plain sight. Best of luck convincing anybody that self hostage taking is an adequate LUP. Also, you apparently failed to read any part of the MOU as well. You don't seem to have the foggiest understanding what that document actually is. Where are the "West Pilots"(whomever they are) listed as a party to the agreement and where exactly in this process does it say you get an East/west do over?

You're just setting yourself up for more anger and disbelief. You really should recognize the warning signs of failure by now.

Yep, and every news station in the US read the transcripts at SCOTUS on Obamacare, and said it was history.

I respect warning signs, but it is only the rulings that matter. Do you really think now, after all the law that has been decided, you are going to get an injunction telling us we have to use the NIC, without a vote? Not going to happen. And if it does in crazy AZ, it will not survive appeal. The Ninth already gifted us all the truth, and Silver put a bow on it.

Greeter

 

[Res Judicata]

Yep, and every news station in the US read the transcripts at SCOTUS on Obamacare, and said it was history.

I respect warning signs, but it is only the rulings that matter. Do you really think now, after all the law that has been decided, you are going to get an injunction telling us we have to use the NIC, without a vote? Not going to happen. And if it does in crazy AZ, it will not survive appeal. The Ninth already gifted us all the truth, and Silver put a bow on it.

Greeter

You don't get to vote on the seniority list. That isn't was final and binding arbitrations are for. There would be zero need for an arbitrator to ever get involved if you're right...but they ALWAYS do. Yes. I really do expect USAPA to be force fed the Nic. Either in court, by the APA or by the Company. All are liable at some point. All want nothing to do with that liability. USAPA doesn't care because it was never intended to accomplish anything other than to delay or evade the Nic. Either of which is a DFR and illegal.

That's why USAPA has such a perfect record, unblemished by the slightest form of accomplishment in 5 long years. I think the East is going to pay dearly for your actions. You may end up begging for the Nic after the MB process.

I can see it now...they advance the West 20% up the Nic award and you guys will be screaming "How!!!?? We're ONE PILOT GROUP!!"

It's easy to read spineless scab hypocrites.