April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Metroyet]

Poor Mr. Polygragh man is all out of ammo, now were are back to the old LOA93 insult and we saved you crap. Relax son it's all over.

You're not on LOA93 anymore? Seems to me USAPA has accomplished exactly nothing in the last 5 years except be 105% more expensive than ALPA, delivered nothing to their membership, and is still up to their nostrils in the litigation tar pit. AOL easily won an Injunction in Addington I. The only difference now is a ratified agreement and 5 years of PROOF of just how intransigent USAPA is, how unwilling they are to fairly represent the west, and just how Stupid the 9th was believing they were talking to a rational group of adults.

 

[Pi brat]

You're Welcome for the West saving your career. I thought you said you said you were going to ignore me, not a man of your word? Tell me something I don't know.

The "west" didn't do anything for us. 99% of you would have walked away from US Airways. Parker and Lakefield put this together. You just want the windfall.

 

[Phoenix]

The West voted 98% to gain contractual provisions....

The harm is soooo bad that 12 people voted to avoid it...

 

[Pi brat]

The West voted 98% to gain contractual provisions that USAPA, in 100 years would have been completely unable to achieve without the APA.

Wrong! The west is giving up tons of contractual goddies with the MOU. The west was told by it's attorneys that voting yes on the MOU would make the TA complete, making the DFR ripe. Then they could get an injunction against using anything but the Nic before the POR is complete(calling the contract they helped put together and recommended a vote for illegal) and all previous contracts become void. By the time USAPA could appeal, the APA will have taken over and will drop the appeal. Ask you AOL buddies, they did it to seal the Nic, no matter what the cost.

 

[snapthis]

What is the Legitimate Union Purpose to re-arrange the Arbitrated seniority list to the exclusive benefit of the East, to the exclusive detriment to the West...in direct opposition of the award generated through due process and final and binding arbitration.

What is the LUP?

The Urban Dictionary has three definitions of a LUP.

Version 3 is a good representation of a LUP when it comes to USAPA:

"to steal or rob, as in a mugging (used primarily by asian thugs)"

 

[Zone5]

The DJ is apples and oranges. It's being appealed btw. Addington II is a completely different animal with a TA in full, unaltered effect and a jointly ratified agreement. Beyond that, every entity involved with the merger has stated this is going to get resolved before any APA USAPA SLI. Every single one except USAPA has said this. If the UCC and APA demand resolution, I wouldn't get my hopes up that USAPA can oppose them very effectively.

Besides, You're going to win right? You should be elated that Judge Silver has expedited the case. You should be jumping for joy.

And I am! The sooner the better.


seajay

 

[Zone5]

Wrong! The west is giving up tons of contractual goddies with the MOU. The west was told by it's attorneys that voting yes on the MOU would make the TA complete, making the DFR ripe. Then they could get an injunction against using anything but the Nic before the POR is complete and all previous contracts become void. By the time USAPA could appeal, the APA will have taken over and will drop the appeal. Ask you AOL buddies, they did it to seal the Nic, no matter what the cost.

I think you are correct and I also think it won't work. Judge Silver is going to toss the "proposed" injunction and soon!


seajay

 

[Pi brat]

V.
Negotiation of a Collective Bargaining Agreement

The Association and the Airline Parties will
negotiate a single collective bargaining
agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways

 

[Metroyet]

Wrong! The west is giving up tons of contractual goddies with the MOU. The west was told by it's attorneys that voting yes on the MOU would make the TA complete, making the DFR ripe. Then they could get an injunction against using anything but the Nic before the POR is complete(calling the contract they helped put together and recommended a vote for illegal) and all previous contracts become void. By the time USAPA could appeal, the APA will have taken over and will drop the appeal. Ask you AOL buddies, they did it to seal the Nic, no matter what the cost.

So your contention NOW is that the West should have sued BEFORE ratification of the MOU. Isn't that the very thing your fake union has been hiding behind for the last 5 years? Nobody knew if the MOU was going to be ratified or not. The question of it's legality isn't settled.

Did you honestly believe that when they told you the MOU was "neutral" that meant you got your DOH dream unimpeded? You seem like a fairly logical guy, you had to know beyond a shadow of a doubt this was going back to court...and I can tell you this: There are multiple layers and multiple fronts to this. The West, and this issue, will not be ignored any longer. You can toe the USAPA line that NOW the 98% vote means something they said it didn't.

Read Lane's transcripts. USAPA is, as per normal, all alone on an Island of willful ignorance and contorted reality. It's crystal clear.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Besides, You're going to win right? You should be elated that Judge Silver has expedited the case. You should be jumping for joy.

Personally, on both accounts, I am jumping for joy.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The Urban Dictionary has three definitions of a LUP.

Version 3 is a good representation of a LUP when it comes to USAPA:

"to steal or rob, as in a mugging (used primarily by asian thugs)"

Yes, USAPA is just crawling with Asian thugs. That's why the HQ is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Asian thugs are so hard to spot in the deep south.

 

[luvthe9]

Seems to me USAPA has accomplished exactly nothing in the last 5 years ,

Seems to me AOL has accomplished nothing is the last 5 years, just stuck in the sand paying dues to fight yourself and plus all the wasted money to Ferguson and company, keep paying Marty. PS another 250 hew hires out here, let me see growth or stagnation, you children chose stagnation, how's that working for you.

 

[snapthis]

Yes, USAPA is just crawling with Asian thugs. That's why the HQ is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Asian thugs are so hard to spot in the deep south.

I've got a desciption of the USAPA doorman. I hear he's a real ladies man. Be careful not to offend him or you might be shoved into the door frame.

 

[traderjake]

Seems to me USAPA has accomplished exactly nothing in the last 5 years except be 105% more expensive than ALPA, delivered nothing to their membership, and is still up to their nostrils in the litigation tar pit.

Not true.

USAPA ensured the East stayed on LOA 93 another 5 years and made USAirways profitable at our expense.

 

[snapthis]

Not true.

USAPA ensured the East stayed on LOA 93 another 5 years and made USAirways profitable at our expense.

Darn right. The formation of USAPA guaranteed the division which Parker and Kirby took advantage. Let's hope we have more competent leadership under the APA.

I think P&K will take this experience and unmerge another airline if the APA does not take note of the USAPA failure in respresentation.