AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

So, to you it's just a game worth wasting millions over. Got it.

Hardly. With me it's an issue of being opposed in principle, to the disgusting notion that any sufficiently infantile narcicissts, amazingly capable of enthusiastically disrespecting others with 14+ years more time worked, should be given any special treatment...of any positive kind, that is.

I've yet to see any compelling argument for throwing those junior, whom I've flown with for many years, under the feet of such as yourself and your merry little band of immoral opportunists. That the very best "argument" that has ever been forwarded here amounts to my being "foolish" for forsaking a few extra pieces of silver fails to enhance my estimation of the "moral" caliber of the west must also be properly noted. I believe DOH/LOS should always be respected, lest their be nothing but resultant chaos and everyone-for-themselves behavior...which at the most, only dumb animals would agree with conducting themselves and their lives in accordance with...while human beings are at least supposedly capable of higher thought, not that such is much evidenced hereabouts.

I don't now, nor have ever even suggested that any east pilot should be able to freely bid into PHX and "steal" any west jobs, but do believe the west should be able to bid east based on DOH. Your bunch wants the world served to you on platter, for no logical, much less even slightly moral reason than some arbitrator saw fit to humor your astounding fantasies of excessive self worth....which, how do I say this as gently as possible...umm...I find just a bit laughable...to say the least.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Unlike the we saved you west crowd I acknowledge that neither side was in any shape to claim anything. Especially career expectations.

Went right over your head....

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Went right over your head....

Jim

Takes One to know one! MM!

 

[A320 Driver]

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/

WOW!

They sure put in a lot of time writing their own brand of BS.

Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

.....thanks to the fine men and women at America West Airlines!

The management team now = "...fine men and women..."? Umm....ok then...I think we're done here.....

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

JG, about as confused as a fart in the http://www.bigassfans.com/ factory! MM!

 

[Phoenix]

WOW!

They sure put in a lot of time writing their own brand of BS.

Driver...

I have a little more respect for Menear than I do for Lance, but none the less he is putting out an analysis of the MOU and term sheet. That is more than just posting on a message board!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

WOW!

They sure put in a lot of time writing their own brand of BS.

Driver...

Looks like LEFT FIELD is becoming a great meeting place! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

I see nothing has changed in the last month or so.

Still arguing over who bought who and the Nicolau is not fair.

Well we should find out tomorrow from judge Silver the direction we are going. Remember the hearing is not if the Nicolau is fair, there will never be a trial for that. Fairness was decided by Nicolau. You guys can go to your grave believing whatever you want but I think you will end up living or quitting under the Nicolau.

But just to add to further to your disappointment the PBGC filed their report with the court today. After spending $4 million and promising someone was going to jail and the PBGC checks would be bigger, once again usapa failed to perform.

PBGC’S NOTICE OF FILING REPORT OF PLAN ASSET EVALUATION

PBGC has been reporting monthly on the plan asset evaluation being conducted on the Retirement Income Plan for Pilots of US Airways, Inc. (“Plan&rdquo😉 by an independent CPA firm.1 That plan asset evaluation has been completed. Because the Court requested PBGC to inform it of the results, PBGC attaches the CPA firm’s 36-page report as Exhibit 1 hereto. A related PBGC memorandum is also attached; in Exhibit 2, senior agency officials approve the final valuation of the Plan’s assets. PBGC will produce to USAPA counsel as soon as possible the voluminous work papers underlying the plan asset evaluation, which total thousands of pages.

In brief, the revised asset value is about $28 million greater than the amount PBGC had calculated in 2006, a difference of about 2% on a total asset value of roughly $1.2 billion. Ex. 2 at 2. Much of that increase was attributable to the CPA firm’s re-valuation of the Plan’s of 70 non-public investments, such as limited partnerships, private equity funds, and real estate. Id.

PBGC has concluded that this change in asset value will have no effect on the benefits of Plan participants. See Att. 2 to Ex. 2 at 3. PBGC has asserted that under ERISA’s primary allocation mechanism, section 4044, 29 U.S.C. § 1344, a recovery of more than $500 million would have been necessary for pilots’ PBGC benefits to increase.3 A minute increase in benefits was also theoretically possible forsome participants under ERISA’s secondary allocation mechanism, section 4022(c), 29 U.S.C.§ 1322(c). But the 2% increase in plan asset value was not enough even for that. See Att. 2 to Ex. 2 at 3.

The CPA firm found no indicators or instances of fiduciary breach, conflicts of interest, fraud, or improper transfers of plan assets. Ex. 1 at 9-11. It based those findings on: (i) its completion of the agency’s risk assessment checklist for fiduciary breach and conflict of interest;and (ii) its analysis of the Plan’s audited financial statements, the former trustee’s plan accounting reports, and IRS Forms 5500. Id. In addition, the CPA firm “remained cognizant during all testing procedures of the risk of potential fiduciary breaches, conflicts of interest, and/or fraud.” Id. at 9.

At the summary judgment hearing on March 13, 2012, the Court remarked that once PBGC submitted the plan asset evaluation report, “I think we can move right after that.”4 PBGC suggests that the most appropriate procedural step at this point would be to establish a briefing schedule for renewed dispositive motions to resolve this case.

This could end up being a very bad month for the east pilots and usapa. No joy on the PBGC $4million wild goose chase. Judge Silver put a stake in the heart of DOH. The company announces a merger and APA becomes the majority and east pilots learn what majority rules means.

Halloween could be very scary indeed for east pilots this year.

PS. Claxon get your own avatar your creepy stalker. Try and be original.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I see nothing has changed in the last month or so.

Still arguing over who bought who and the Nicolau is not fair.

Well we should find out tomorrow from judge Silver the direction we are going. Remember the hearing is not if the Nicolau is fair, there will never be a trial for that. Fairness was decided by Nicolau. You guys can go to your grave believing whatever you want but I think you will end up living or quitting under the Nicolau.

But just to add to further to your disappointment the PBGC filed their report with the court today. After spending $4 million and promising someone was going to jail and the PBGC checks would be bigger, once again usapa failed to perform.





This could end up being a very bad month for the east pilots and usapa. No joy on the PBGC $4million wild goose chase. Judge Silver put a stake in the heart of DOH. The company announces a merger and APA becomes the majority and east pilots learn what majority rules means.

Halloween could be very scary indeed for east pilots this year.

PS. Claxon get your own avatar your creepy stalker. Try and be original.

PBGC'S plan of notice of filing? No smoking gun there! $ 4Million goose chases? Hello JUDGE WAKE , and as for Judge SILVER, 9th circuit here we come, and who say's it is "YOUR AVITAR", ! Halloween luv OCTOBER, !

 

[traderjake]

I see nothing has changed in the last month or so.

Glad to see you post again.

Luvthe9 said you went to work somewhere else.

 

[Phoenix]

I see nothing has changed in the last month or so.

And you made sure to stick with the status quo.. didn't post anything original yourself. 😀

 

[luvthe9]

SOMEONE THAT GETS IT!!!!..........Dear Neg Comm:

Thanks very much for sending the video .

There is no FAA or FOM rule that says you guys can't smile on a video in the future. Relax a bit more. Why so stiff ?

PAY RATES:

At the new American Airlines we must be the highest paid pilots in America, with the best contract. No more discussions. Our starting point is we will be the best paid in the county.

We know from the past parker will put this deal together with American (either merger or they buy us) and drag it out. He will attempt to run it as long as possible with 3 contracts 3 lists and 3 operations.

Yes this is very cumbersome, but the FAA does not seem to care and he saves millions by dragging this out like our non-merge with AWA.

Just last week we flew 2 AWA pilots from PHL to TPA just so they could ferry a West aircraft up to CLT for maintenance, stupid, but it must be saving parker to run like this.

So we have to tell him up front that whatever pay rates we are going to insist on ( not what the term sheet or green book says) that what we are seeking will increase 1% every 90 days there is not a combined airline with one contract and list.

This means if the airline has one operating certificate and we all have American uniforms , but it is run apart, that every 90 days the minimum pay rate goes up.

Our pay should be above the average of DAL/UAL/Jet Blue and SWA ON THE DAY OF THE NEW AIRLINE, forget about 3 years to parity.

The only thing we should accept is the highest pay rates of all pilots in America, why not be the best paid in the country.

We saved this company by LOA 93, parker would not have a job and there would be no US AIR without LOA 93, we were idiots to sign off on that without a firm snap back date, don't do the same thing again.

NO FURLOUGH:

This means from any airline, don't let him agree to no furlough from US AIR and then he will turn around and furlough a AWA or AA pilot, no furlough applies to all 3 pilot groups.

For current furloughs at AWA and AA with every 3 guys who retire the company must call one furloughed pilot back. No choice in the matter. Part of our contract. Also with guys on furlough any pilot can take any amount of leave at any time. Also with guys on furlough any pilot can drop any trip or down to any lower amount of flying hours for the month without any approval from the company . If the new American has guys on furlough ( either from AWA or AA) then they have too many pilots and we should have no restriction about reducing out hours until every furloughed pilot is called back.

If there is a war or major world event and the company must furlough or go out of business and the airline is not put together yet, then the furlough will come from all 3 sides on a pro rated basis. For example 13 from AA / 8 from US AIR and 2 from AWA.

With the guys finally retiring furlough should not be an issue. As long as it is in the contract that for every 3 that retire they must recall one furloughed pilot.AA still has 1,400 pilots on furlough.

Furlough pay is ONE YEAR for all pilots regardless if they have been here 1 minute or 5 years, min furlough pay is one year .

TALKING TO APA:

The highest priority of your time should be weekly meetings with APA, help them fight horton and get to know them so we are united when we are one airline.

This is the last contract for 20% of US AIR pilots. This is the biggest pilot hiring boom coming in the past 30 years. Don't sign away all of the years of effort we have put into this company , insist on only the best contract in the US.

If parker is so sure he can run a good operation and make money, he can afford for us to be the highest paid pilots in the country.

During the time Stephen Wolf was the CEO we were the highest paid in the country and during that same year the airline made a profit of $1.6 billion.

SWA is now the highest paid passenger airline and they for the past 30 years have made more profits than any other airline.

BIDDING INTO AA BASES:

Speaking for the 250 US AIR and AWA pilots who live on the West coast we want no restrictions or fences on bidding into an American base. No delay. First of all there must be a vacancy and of course you must have the horsepower to even get into the base.

But we are sick of this commute and with PHX downsizing by over 50% after the merger with American all of the PHX pilots will probably want to come to LAX too.

So from the start we must insist and not sign anything that has any fences or restrictions on getting into a AA base, this applies to them too. They can enter any US AIR base once this is put together with no delay or restriction.

We owe this especially to our PHX pilots because it is obvious that PHX is too close to LAX or DFW and parker will never keep it as a hub. It will become another PIT.

After seeing 9 mergers at US AIR , this is out 10th; we all know that pilots will not move. US AIR has closed 26 bases since the airline started. So the AWA pilots will continue to live in PHX and will be forced to commute to DFW or LAX, some may go to ORD, but the majority will want to get into LAX.

POSITIVE SPACE:

United had this for years and now we must have it . If you are forced out of a base the company must give you positive space for 3 years . This is another thing we must have.

At lest 50% , maybe more of the AWA pilots will be forced out of PHX; which is the right of American to do, but if they want to do this they MUST give us positive space for 3 years so guys can get to work in their new base. They caused the problem, why should
all the PHX pilots fight for the jump seat trying to get to work ?

SHOT GUN TO THE HEAD:

Guys understand that parker want this 1,000 times more than we do. He wants to be the CEO of the largest airline in the world. There is very soon going to be the biggest pilot hiring boom in the past 30 years. The airlines will be fighting to hire pilots from a very small pool.We have the strongest change in control clause of any airline in the county .

Because of these 3 factors WE MUST not give anything on this contract coming up.

We hold all the cards . When you have a shot gun pointed at the head of someone they really do pay attention to what you say.

WE ARE IN THIS POSITION NOW if you will only realize and understand this.

We have 100 times more power than you realize, PLEASE USE IT.

Thanks for your service

 

[traderjake]

And you made sure to stick with the status quo.. didn't post anything original yourself.

But just to add to further to your disappointment the PBGC filed their report with the court today. After spending $4 million and promising someone was going to jail and the PBGC checks would be bigger, once again usapa failed to perform.

This sounds original to me.

 

[luvn737s]

Luv9, did you slip in the shower? USAPA has been sent to the corner to pout. Parker could care less what you want. Come to think of it, so could I.

YOU HAVE NO POWER OR LEVERAGE. You let Cleary squander it.