AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

They are equal to the amount of draw down after the merger.

Were I sitting in PHX....well...I'd respectfully suggest some reasonable caution in what I wished for in the way of merger drawdowns...just sayin'....

 

[EastUS1]

.....if they fear the West's pending lawsuit.

"if" Indeed.

 

[EastUS1]

Nic or LOA93, that is usapa's choice, and if they chose LOA93, and permanent seperate ops, then DFRII.

So....What's stopped you from launching such unquestionably devastating litigation so far? Has a mere five years not proved sufficient time to get such together?

 

[EastUS1]

Of course I guess they could fire some West pilots then get involved in a hybrid DFR suit over wrongful termination and a union's refusal to represent their pilots.

Whew! Ya' know nic...for someone whom I believe also holds a bit of healthy contempt for the legal process...you shore 'nuff seem to expect nothing but succor, comfort and cotton candy to always come your way from courts and lawyers. Seriously; how has that truly been working out for you? 😉

 

[CallawayGolf]

Hmmm..."...an unexpected or upsetting ruling..."? So much for your proficiency with prophecies I guess. Does this at all mean that, just perhaps, not everything is going along with the AOL master plan?....Say it's not so! That'd tragically open the door to the very slim chance that "the rest of world" (as so often supposed here) doesn't actually wake up each day with nothing more on their minds than how to facilitate the nic, and thereby ensure the happiness of the west group...and we all know, from years of reading here, that can't possibly be true!

I'm no prophet and I utter no prophecies. However I can extrapolate a most-likely outcome based on the available evidence. I predicted USAPA would lose the LOA 93 grievance and they did. I predicted USAPA would lose the Status Quo lawsuit in NC and they did. I predicted USAPA's lawsuit against the company in NY would be dismissed and it was. I predicted Seham would be let go before it was annonced that he was and that USAPA would attempt to go after him for over billing or malpractice and they tried that. So I missed on this one because Silver herself called the Company's claim ripe thus and rejected USAPA's MTD. That led me to believe she would rule on one of the four counts. She didn't rule on any of them which is a reversal of her previous position. If she had ruled rather than punted I might still have been right, but we will just never know.

Do you understand the proper usage and meaning behind the word "if". I said "if" sick calls are up. Trying to twist my words into something they are not only makes you look foolish, not me. "If someone is upset by yesterday's outcome then here's what I think"...the obvious implication is that if they are not upset then what follows should not be applied.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm no prophet and I utter no prophecies. However I can extrapolate a most-likely outcome based on the available evidence. I predicted USAPA would lose the LOA 93 grievance and they did. I predicted USAPA would lose the Status Quo lawsuit in NC and they did. I predicted USAPA's lawsuit against the company in NY would be dismissed and it was. I predicted Seham would be let go before it was annonced that he was and that USAPA would attempt to go after him for over billing or malpractice and they tried that. So I missed on this one because Silver herself called the Company's claim ripe thus and rejected USAPA's MTD. That led me to believe she would rule on one of the four counts. She didn't rule on any of them which is a reversal of her previous position. If she had ruled rather than punted I might still have been right, but we will just never know.

That's among the longest-winded admissions of absurdly "qualified" error I've yet seen. 😉 You were flat-out wrong regarding Silver's court. Such things happen whenever any of us attempt future predictions. Get over it!...Umm...and while you're at that; get over yourself as well, for that matter. Just a kindly suggestion there. 😉

Umm...."I might still have been right, but we will just never know." Wow! That's absolutely pathetic. You do realize that, don't you?

 

[nic4us]

Were I sitting in PHX....well...I'd respectfully suggest some reasonable caution in what I wished for in the way of merger drawdowns...just sayin'....

Well, we have both Parker and Kirby saying the likely future for PHX if a merger happens is actually growth and not downsizing.

But, hey, what do they know?

We also know that PHX does not offend the regulatory agencies that see a problem in DCA.

We also know that not one dollar has been spent to de-ice a plane in PHX in the last 40 years, and that the weather is conducive to full capacity something like 350 days a year. Can that redundant PHL hub sitting in shadow of JFK say that?
...but I get your point....just ayin"

 

[EastUS1]

Well, we have both Parker and Kirby saying the likely future for PHX if a merger happens is actually growth and not downsizing.

That'd be fine by me, since I wish no one sent to the street.....you will just have to hope you're right.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

They are equal to the amount of draw down after the merger.

The EAST retirements replace the EAST drawdown? Really?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well, we have both Parker and Kirby saying the likely future for PHX if a merger happens is actually growth and not downsizing.

But, hey, what do they know?

We also know that PHX does not offend the regulatory agencies that see a problem in DCA.

We also know that not one dollar has been spent to de-ice a plane in PHX in the last 40 years, and that the weather is conducive to full capacity something like 350 days a year. Can that redundant PHL hub sitting in shadow of JFK say that?
...but I get your point....just ayin"

We have a winner, next subject EL-NINO !

 

[luvthe9]

Nic4 that PHL JFK logic is just stupid. EWR PHLJFK LGA BWI DCA IAD. All located in massive population centers. All not that far.Each drawing millions of passengers. People in Philly do not drive to NY to fly. It is too much of a hassle. You are clueless about this. Try driving out of PHX to the next metro. By the way. We don't want your hub to close. We don't wish that on anybody.

 

[Move2CLT]

For those of you easties that actually use your mental faculties, I'm sure you understand that absolutely nothing changed yesterday. USAPA was just as free to submit their own list a month ago as it is now. All that Silver did yesterday was move the onus onto the company in taking the responsibility for submitting the Nic without the court protecting their decision.

The company knows that they'll have to submit the Nic eventually and would have rather done it with Silver's blessing, but that didn't happen and the frustration on the company's legal team was VERY apparent. They knew the chances of being indemnified were nonexistent and a ruling specifically directing use of the Nic would have made life easier for them.

It didn't happen.

Like I said, nothing has changed. You easties will be on LOA 93 two years from now without a merger. Your only way off is a new contract with the Nic because the company won't accept anything else.

When this final ruling comes out, guess who will file with the 9th asking for an en banc hearing - the company. Expect them, not AOL, to continue the legal process.

And please, if any of you easties would do me a favor, when Claxon and luv are done with their circle-jerk, explain to them what I told you. Im sure it'll be a while before those nit-wits are done with their little session.

And someone tell Dan Davis to go f himself.

Thanks

 

[EastUS1]

Thanks

You're welcome...but...I'm now guessing you really won't actually be needing any immediate help with the furniture for your, umm... "Move2CLT"...? 😉

And do take heart. We all know that "The Great and Powerful OzAOL has the situation well in hand!" 😉 and I personally promise to "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"......although it might be gently suggested that you start doing so. 😉

PS: Speaking of OzAOL: I haven't seen any exciting updates as of yet. It certainly can't be at all possible that they're having even the slightest difficulty with spinning this latest into yet another "righteous" and awesome "victory"....can it? 🙂

 

[luvthe9]

Move2??? First, answer us the big one. When is your move you idiot? And answer this. When you finally do move, do you have to commute to PHX to fly?
So don't think any of us take your drivel seriously. You have missed every point. We know where this went, and everybody is moving on, except you.
Don't forget to call the realtor in Davidson, and tell them you managed to step on your crank again in a courthouse in Phoenix. You have a habit of it. It is what we have come to expect of you. Dan Davis says hi.

 

[Phoenix]

Move2??? First, answer us the big one. When is your move you idiot? And answer this. When you finally do move, do you have to commute to PHX to fly?
So don't think any of us take your drivel seriously. You have missed every point. We know where this went, and everybody is moving on, except you.
Don't forget to call the realtor in Davidson, and tell them you managed to step on your crank again in a courthouse in Phoenix. You have a habit of it. It is what we have come to expect of you. Dan Davis says hi.

Dan Davis takes heart that Move is resorting to personal insults.