AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

There is no reason not to have pay parity with APA on day 1, or sharing in the other provisions of the Term Sheet. I would like to hear the excuse for denying it.

How about lack of a joint contract. That has worked for the last 6+ years and it will work again. We would have had pay parity at the POR under the MOU. Now we have to wait on APA and we are probably uninvited from all future negotiations. Once again, we did not follow the wisdom of our advisors and once again we will pay a price. Parker has had it with this bunch.

Otherwise, labor uncertainty, which ostensibly management wishes to avoid, will be unavoidable.

Unless you want to cough up the fines the judge will levy against this pilot group, you might as well forget that.

Other provisions of our contract remain intact for now.

LOA93 in all it's glory. I am glad you are so happy with it.

Transition Agreement next?

When the APA gets around to it after the POR.

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

Rogger that. By withdrawing the MOU, the company is attempting to separate the membership from the BPR, by blaming the BPR for preventing the pilots from having a vote.

Fact is the BPR could pass out the MOU for a vote with additional explanation that DUI is trying to separate the BPR from the members by denying them an MOU. Obviously DUI was concerned the members would stand with the BPR and reject the MOU. Let's pass it out and vote it down owerwhelmingly to show DUI he was right.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's dilusional. And it is the BPRs fault and they and their supporters deserve the credit for all the #### that happens next.

Driver...

 

[flyer63]

lMAO

Good thing it went down this way.

At least we didn't give away EVERYTHING

Min fleet being the biggest

 

[luvn737s]

lMAO

Good thing it went down this way.

At least we didn't give away EVERYTHING

Min fleet being the biggest

Do you know what the difference is between "not giving away everything" and losing everything? Answer $10,000 and a 28% raise. East pilots - look in the mirror. I'm sure you know how stupid feels, you should know how it looks also.

 

[luvn737s]

Here are a few TA goodies we should expect the chefs at APA to cook up :
1. No Fleet/Block hour minimums
2. Elimination of CoC by side letter without membership ratification
3. Elimination of No Bump No Flush allowing open bidding to any seat/base/equipment regardless of vacancy
4. Allowing temporary TDY basing in any base without restriction (end of east upgrades)
5. No restrictions on so-called east metal/west metal
6. Consolidation of former USAPA representation under an APA transition committee with appointed APA reps to handle US grievances , representation and contract negotiations.


So your BPR let you get a good whiff of the attrition, but decided that they would try to defend the good old days rather than prepare for the future. Sorry about that. But you showed 'em! They protected you from yourselves.

BPR, they are popping the champaigne in Fort Worth tonight.

If this does not result in a wholesale recall campaign against the BPR, I don't know what would.

 

[A320 Driver]

Do you know what the difference is between "not giving away everything" and losing everything? Answer $10,000 and a 28% raise. East pilots - look in the mirror. I'm sure you know how stupid feels, you should know how it looks also.

Yeah, wait until they get a load of the JCBA that has NO min fleet count, NO prohibition from putting a bunch of 190s in the East crew bases and NO protection from moving our widebody flying away from us and into the hands of the APA. The BPR just handed the reins of this merger to the APA and their is nothing they can do from this point on...NOTHING. They will have us giving away our seniority before it is all over with.

Just remember Air Cal and TWA. We're next.

Driver...

 

[luvthe9]

Yeah, wait until they get a load of the JCBA that has NO min fleet count, NO prohibition from putting a bunch of 190s in the East crew bases and NO protection from moving our widebody flying away from us and into the hands of the APA. The BPR just handed the reins of this merger to the APA and their is nothing they can do from this point on...NOTHING. They will have us giving away our seniority before it is all over with.

Just remember Air Cal and TWA. We're next.

Driver...

Are you joking they had that already in the MOU. And yes your union is workng with the APA possibly for a major job action. 13,000 pilots TOGETHER could get anything they want!!! Minus a few WEAK individuals on this board. Are you sure you're not the he son of the USAir pilot that bought the C-310 so his boys could build multi time without actually working for it? You sure don't have much fight in you.

 

[767one]

I don't think I've ever quoted myself in a post but this one bears repeating....since the MOU and a ton of money just blew up in USTUPIDs face...again. As per usual, well played Idiots.

The company never intended to let the MOU come to vote......it was simply another distraction to all pilots involved. If you think that this company or AA was/is going to offer anything as good as LOA 93 you are somewhat misguided. With all three pilot groups fighting each other what we will end up with is something that will make LOA 93 look like a good deal!


Bob


Bob

 

[A320 Driver]

Are you joking they had that already in the MOU. And yes your union is workng with the APA possibly for a major job action. 13,000 pilots TOGETHER could get anything they want!!! Minus a few WEAK individuals on this board.

Typical steel mill mentality. All the steel workers are unloading the steel made in other countries now. They really showed them, didn't they?

Mark my words...this pilot group will suffer for what has just taken place over the last couple of weeks. You think you have power? You have an illusion. What will you say when you finally come to the realization that you have lost what little you have left of a career? Or maybe you are just past the point of caring.

Driver...

 

[Phoenix]

Are you joking they had that already in the MOU. And yes your union is workng with the APA possibly for a major job action. 13,000 pilots TOGETHER could get anything they want!!! Minus a few WEAK individuals on this board.

Ask for something?

Imagine how scary it would be to ask for just 80% of what Southwest gets. No make it just 70%. I mean just the thought of asking for that much would surely cause DUI a coronary (how would he ever make a profit under that burden??), the mountains would melt, the stock market would fail, and USAir would collapse, never to fly another jet again.

 

[Move2CLT]

Are you joking they had that already in the MOU. And yes your union is workng with the APA possibly for a major job action. 13,000 pilots TOGETHER could get anything they want!!! Minus a few WEAK individuals on this board. Are you sure you're not the he son of the USAir pilot that bought the C-310 so his boys could build multi time without actually working for it? You sure don't have much fight in you.

G-damn you're an idiot.

 

[Phoenix]

Typical steel mill mentality. All the steel workers are unloading the steel made in other countries now. They really showed them, didn't they?

Mark my words...this pilot group will suffer for what has just taken place over the last couple of weeks. You think you have power? You have an illusion. What will you say when you finally come to the realization that you have lost what little you have left of a career? Or maybe you are just past the point of caring.

Driver...

No one on the BPR voted in favor of the company offer. Record yourself repeating that simple fact over and over and you may one day figure out how you can be a part of the solution.

 

[A320 Driver]

The company never intended to let the MOU come to vote......it was simply another distraction to all pilots involved. If you think that this company or AA was/is going to offer anything as good as LOA 93 you are somewhat misguided. With all three pilot groups fighting each other what we will end up with is something that will make LOA 93 look like a good deal!


Bob

You will have AA Green Book and whatever flying they decide to give you. APA will look after it's own. We have no say from this point on. Parker said it himself...no more talk until the POR.

Driver...

 

[Move2CLT]

Once again you eastholios prove that LOA93 was not a fluke and that most of you are truly mentally handicapped.

Congrats on giving away money - again.

 

[Black Swan]

I don't think I've ever quoted myself in a post but this one bears repeating....since the MOU and a ton of money just blew up in USTUPIDs face...again. As per usual, well played Idiots.

You guys don t get it. We really don't care! I think the AA guys are with us. We will walk before we give in to Parker and co. It will be the West and Parker with their thumbs up their keisters wondering what happened. Ok, Traitorjake and A320 with you. The rest of you can go hang with Team Tempe and go have a bonfire and burn your ops manuals.