AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Not at all. You work under a contract between the company and the union, what you "deserve" doesn't enter the picture anywhere. You get what you negotiate, no more and no less.

Expecting more because you think you deserve it is asking for charity. Parter offered you parity on day one as part of the MOU, but you said the price was too high. Yet you want the parity on day 1 anyway - charity or getting something without giving anything in return.

Jim

Piedmont is likely correct that parity would come quickly. The APA, if they were smart, would insist on parity from day one. The reason being, their pilots will end up with all the jobs anyway. Can't have an underpaid side of the operation used against the group in total...i.e. think LOA93 and the east.

So the APA gets us parity in the TA...then the APA cleans house in the seniority integration....exhibit A....they brought the LCC pilots up to their contract, and therefore the LCC pilots get a much diminished position on an integrated SL.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Not at all. You work under a contract between the company and the union, what you "deserve" doesn't enter the picture anywhere. You get what you negotiate, no more and no less.

Expecting more because you think you deserve it is asking for charity. Parter offered you parity on day one as part of the MOU, but you said the price was too high. Yet you want the parity on day 1 anyway - charity or getting something without giving anything in return.

Jim

And after the POR, if I end up working under the Term Sheet, as an APA member, I should be paid the rate specified in the Term Sheet.

 

[Black Swan]

How did that work out with the America West merger?

Maybe it takes more than just expecting it.

What merger? Have you flown a jet with AW on the end of the reg? Parker is playing a dangerous game with a bunch of guys who have a few years left and honestly could care less about being a American Airlines pilot.

 

[nic4us]

Rogger that. By withdrawing the MOU, the company is attempting to separate the membership from the BPR, by blaming the BPR for preventing the pilots from having a vote.

Fact is the BPR could pass out the MOU for a vote with additional explanation that DUI is trying to separate the BPR from the members by denying them an MOU. Obviously DUI was concerned the members would stand with the BPR and reject the MOU. Let's pass it out and vote it down owerwhelmingly to show DUI he was right.

You are totaly lost in lala land.

The company could not care less about the relationship between the BPR and the membership.

 

[Black Swan]

You are totaly lost in lala land.

The company could not care less about the relationship between the BPR and the membership.

The company is a POS.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Piedmont is likely correct that parity would come quickly.

Possibly right, but for the wrong reason (I see parity as more a bargaining chip in JCBA/seniority negotiations). Note that even in your scenerio parity wouldn't come because the US pilots (and particularly east pilots) deserve it but because APA saw a benefit to giving it - each side gains something. It seems that a certain group makes fun of Parker's "It's the right thing to do" in reference to a JCBA yet expect Parker to do the "right" thing in respect to pay.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

And after the POR, if I end up working under the Term Sheet, as an APA member, I should be paid the rate specified in the Term Sheet.

Absolutely, but you're working under the same contract (which wouldn't come on day 1 necessarily). That's different than wanting parity merely because you feel that you deserve it.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

What merger?

Ummm...the one that took place in 2005...are you that out of touch with reality???

Jim

 

[nic4us]

What merger? Have you flown a jet with AW on the end of the reg? Parker is playing a dangerous game with a bunch of guys who have a few years left and honestly could care less about being a American Airlines pilot.

No he has likely not...

But he has flown every leg with the AWE designator on his flight plan since 2005.


i got to say I am pissed Parker pulled the MOU....but, I am only pissed that I wasted time reading it...

The biggest hits were gutting West contract. Life insurance went from $400,000 to $70,000....no STD and no true up of sick bank....no cancelations pay...vaction give back...no fleet protections when we are dealing with a hostile union and another on the way...no min block....and on and on and on....

 

[Piedmont1984]

Possibly right, but for the wrong reason (I see parity as more a bargaining chip in JCBA/seniority negotiations). Note that even in your scenerio parity wouldn't come because the US pilots (and particularly east pilots) deserve it but because APA saw a benefit to giving it - each side gains something. It seems that a certain group makes fun of Parker's "It's the right thing to do" in reference to a JCBA yet expect Parker to do the "right" thing in respect to pay.

Jim

Well then I'm relieved. For a second there you had me thinking I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

 

[Black Swan]

That would be a no from me if I were a West pilot. I really didn't see one thing for an East pilot either. I really don't care what they try to threaten us with. We are not in bankruptcy and the sh&@t deals get shot down.

 

[traderjake]

USAPA Update - MOU Withdrawn

US Airways’ Legal Counsel has informed our Professional Negotiator that in light of the USAPA BPR’s recommendation that our pilots vote against the ratification of the proposed MOU, that the MOU will not be presented to the US Airways BOD for approval. The MOU is off the table.

 

[Black Swan]

USAPA Update - MOU Withdrawn

US Airways’ Legal Counsel has informed our Professional Negotiator that in light of the USAPA BPR’s recommendation that our pilots vote against the ratification of the proposed MOU, that the MOU will not be presented to the US Airways BOD for approval. The MOU is off the table.

Good. They can take a flying f&@$k at a rolling donut.

 

[nic4us]

The company is a POS.

Of course it is!!

Because it employs a POS pilot group that has 2/3rds of it membership that is nothing more than a bunch of reneging malcontent A-holes hell bent on insuring it remains that way.

My sincerest apologies to my co-workers in the AFA, dispatch, maintainance, customer service, who despite the adverse conditions still come to work trying to make it a better place.

 

[Phoenix]

You are totaly lost in lala land.

The company could not care less about the relationship between the BPR and the membership.

Nic, Nic, Nic,

If the company doesn't care whether or not you break ranks from the BPR, then you should add some sunshine to your life and send some roses, chocolates, and love notes to the BPR. Why fill your life with hate, discontent, and ridicule if it doesn't help DUI?