AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

I honestly don't want to waste too much time on you so I'll simply ask you if you know WHY Parker pulled the MOU.

I'm hardly surprised that you're, as always, entirely incapable of presenting any semblance of cogent argument or rational explanation of any kind.

Let's get back to basics. What agency withdrew the potential mou? Kindly explain how Parker's pulling this potential agreement, prior to it's even being afforded ANY time for either acceptance or rejection by the membership, was the union's "fault"?

"I'll simply ask you if you know WHY Parker pulled the MOU." If you've some special need to dazzle all present with the fruits of your supposed telepathic bonding with Parker, feel free. Luvn's not yet presented the unintentional joke of the day, so step right up. 😉

 

[traderjake]

Don't let him fly your seaplane either.

On Thursday, August 25th, 1994 around 3:00 pm Eastern time, Jimmy Buffett crashed his Grumman G-44 Widgeon, N1471N, while attempting to takeoff in the waters off Nantucket, Massachusetts. The airplane nosed over, and Jimmy was able to swim to safety, sustaining only minor injuries.

'Jonathan Livingston Seagull' author Richard Bach hurt in plane crash

Associated Press

Updated: 09/02/2012 08:27:16 AM PDT

SEATTLE -- Richard Bach, the author of the 1970s best-selling novella "Jonathan Livingston Seagull," was in serious condition Saturday after his small plane crashed in Washington state.

The SeaRey single-engine amphibian aircraft clipped power lines Friday at 4:30 p.m. about three miles west of Friday Harbor Airport, according to Ian Gregor, a public affairs manager for the Federal Aviation Administration.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm hardly surprised that you're, as always, entirely incapable of presenting any semblance of cogent argument or rational explanation of any kind.

Let's get back to basics. What agency withdrew the potential mou? Kindly explain how Parker's pulling this potential agreement, prior to it's even being afforded ANY time for either acceptance or rejection by the membership, was the union's "fault"?

"I'll simply ask you if you know WHY Parker pulled the MOU." If you've some special need to dazzle all present with the fruits of your supposed telepathic bonding with Parker, feel free. Luvn's not yet presented the unintentional joke of the day, so step right up. 😉

Poor East...rambling on about being always right hoping to convince himself. Vote no, Parker needs these things, a better proposal will be forthcoming. The delusions of a life-long la-la land resident.

USAPA has been a failure since inception due to it's single goal - escaping the Nic. Consequently it's been a day late and a dollar short in everything else it tried. The MOU is but the latest example - why did USAPA (and it's staunch la-la land supporters) wait so long to even try to get a MOU? Why did USAPA wait so long, knowing that the NDA would end public (including employee) discussion/negotiations? APA had a MOU back in the spring - USAPA could have approached management months ago but didn't - why?

USAPA and it's staunch supporters wasted time knowing that a merger might occur, doing nothing. In doing that, USAPA failed and it's supporters (who were more interested in who was USAPA president than the future of the pilot group) helped it every step of the way.

How does it feel to be a failure, East? To care more about who is elected USAPA president than the welfare of the pilot group? To attempt everything possible to keep USAPA from having any meaning to management? You, MM, 9-piece, etc must be so proud...

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

"Let's get back to basics. What agency withdrew the potential mou? Kindly explain how Parker's pulling this potential agreement, prior to it's even being afforded ANY time for either acceptance or rejection by the membership, was the union's "fault"?

...rambling on....

Indeed...Sigh!....Yet another who's demonstrably incapable of answering even a very simple question. 😉

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Poor East...rambling on about being always right hoping to convince himself. Vote no, Parker needs these things, a better proposal will be forthcoming. The delusions of a life-long la-la land resident.

Consequently it's been a day late and a dollar short in everything else it tried. The MOU is but the latest example - why did USAPA (and it's staunch la-la land supporters) wait so long to even try to get a MOU? You, MM, 9-piece, etc must be so proud...

Jim

IF there is one thing beside the self proclamation of the village know-it-all JG knows it is DELUSION,! Word up, we could give a darn about any MOU! Gary Giveitaway came up with it, his idea his delusion but besides that, 9, FA, BLK SWN, ....... are very proud!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Indeed...Sigh!....Yet another who's demonstrably incapable of answering even a very simple question. 😉

The answer was there, you're just too thick-skulled to realize it. You can lead a horse to water and all that....

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

IF there is one thing beside the self proclamation of the village know-it-all JG knows it is DELUSION,! Word up, we could give a darn about any MOU!

It's been obvious for some time to anyone paying attention that you, 9-piece, East, etc only care about what you want regardless of what's in the interests of the membership...you shoot yourself in the foot to make it crystal clear. So stop blaming everyone else for getting exactly what you deserve. Wear that crown of thorns proudly.

Jim

 

[PullUp]

I guess reading is not your best forte.. Horton has signed a NDA dumbass.

He wont be talking to anybody not a party to the NDA.

Our chance for protections left the building with the BPR's "No" recomendation...

Let me know when you finally realize we are left flailing in the wind....morons....

Up yours too einstein. PARKER signed a NDA pledging not to disclose AA secrets. Horton can talk to whoever he desires.
Knock on his door and tell him we're fed up with the drunk and his sidekick.
All is fair in love, war, and business today.
Cheers, ####.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It's been obvious for some time to anyone paying attention that you, 9-piece, East, etc only care about what you want regardless of what's in the interests of the membership...you shoot yourself in the foot to make it crystal clear. So stop blaming everyone else for getting exactly what you deserve. Wear that crown of thorns proudly.

Jim

Your the king of delusion, how can you be so arrogant as to think (delusional)that we don't have the interests of the membership at heart, at least I am a "member" and not some ole fart that doesn't have a life beyond his self proclaimed glory years! In my retirement shortly I will be no where near this board, unlike some others!

 

[EastUS1]

The answer was there, you're just too thick-skulled to realize it.

Actually not, as nowhere within your latest erruptions of virulent lunacy did you offer anything even approaching a direct answer to: "Kindly explain how Parker's pulling this potential agreement, prior to it's even being afforded ANY time for either acceptance or rejection by the membership, was the union's "fault"?

Let's keep it sufficiently basic as to allow no additional loss of focus within any vast torrent of frothy babble....in which, even the predicatable gushings of Old Faithful couldn't ever hope to compete with you. Was it not managment that withdrew the potential agreement prior to any possibility of acceptance via a vote? Yes or no would help clear things up a bit here 😉

 

[A320 Driver]

"I'll simply ask you if you know WHY Parker pulled the MOU."

What was the point in going forward? The BPR, against every ounce of advice from their advisors, recommended a NO vote. They couldn't even get a motion to put it out for a vote to start with. They were actively mounting an opposition to the document, even though is was USAPA that asked for it to start with. No sir, the blame for this fiasco lies solely with the BPR and their supporters. You wanted the document dead...it's dead.

Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

What was the point in going forward? The BPR, against every ounce of advice from their advisors, recommended a NO vote. They couldn't even get a motion to put it out for a vote to start with. They were actively mounting an opposition to the document, even though is was USAPA that asked for it to start with. No sir, the blame for this fiasco lies solely with the BPR and their supporters. You wanted the document dead...it's dead.

Driver...

"No sir, the blame for this fiasco lies solely with the BPR and their supporters." Indeed, it must have been the case then that the BPR/supporters were the agents that pulled it off the table prior to a vote being completed? I see. That's about as absurd an abortion of any attempted "logic" as could be made.

"You wanted the document dead...it's dead." Complete BS again. I wanted it properly voted on by the membership, whatever happened, although my hopes were for a rejection of it as written. If most thought otherwise, then it would and should have passed.

I'm honestly amazed that so many focus such anger and righteous indignation at other than the company, who just pulled it away and denied all those in favor even the chance to make the scheduled vote on it.

 

[A320 Driver]

Complete BS again. I wanted it properly voted on by the membership, whatever happened, although my hopes were for a rejection of it as written. If most thought otherwise, then it would and should have passed.

The BPR was already looking for a way to back out of the vote. DiOrio, Crimi and McKee must be having quite the little love fest right about now. If I was Parker, I would have done the same thing. Enough is enough. He has a pilot group that he can deal with rationally and they will rule the roost in short order. The BPR has just become irrelevant.

Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

The BPR was already looking for a way to back out of the vote.

...And yet; a vote was to be held in a very timely manner.....

" If I was Parker, I would have done the same thing." I see, so personal petulance should be the basis for business decisions?....Or at least your own? 😉

"He has a pilot group that he can deal with rationally.." Nothing new there. He's just never seen any need to do so, nor does he now.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

What was the point in going forward? The BPR, against every ounce of advice from their advisors, recommended a NO vote. They couldn't even get a motion to put it out for a vote to start with. They were actively mounting an opposition to the document, even though is was USAPA that asked for it to start with. No sir, the blame for this fiasco lies solely with the BPR and their supporters. You wanted the document dead...it's dead.

Driver...

If the NAC had at least something close as directed by the BPR it would of had a different path, when you get GIVEITAWAY GARY furthering his "OWN AGENDA"firing DIORIO, putting 2 WEST(LET US SHOW YA HOW) Negotiators on it, this is what you get, a document that has "NO" members best interest in it! MM