AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Time to stop bickering over what is done. It's pointless.

You're about 5 years late.

 

[usabusdriver]

Steve Morse....The dregs....musician's guitarist

Yep!

I liked the Dixie Dregs.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Driver said: "Diorio needed firing. It just didn't come soon enough. The West should have a voice and a presence on the NAC. They have as much vested interest as you do.

Driver..."

Just to be clear DiOrio needed firing not because of his lack of competance, but because of his association with the previous leadership. Paul actually did a good job of looking at the small stuff, and that (might) hinder him a little on the big tent ideas. But kudos no matter. Thanks to him for doing the best he could, but it was time for change. I just wish he would give a little more support to the current gang.

As to the West on ANY committees, long overdue.

Greeter

Well you said it all, GARY GIVEITAWAY, is really "not" the peacemaker he claims, politics, time for a change, damage control "FUD KING"!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Driver said: "Diorio needed firing. It just didn't come soon enough. The West should have a voice and a presence on the NAC. They have as much vested interest as you do.

Driver..."

, but because of his association with the previous leadership. Paul actually did a good job of looking at the small stuff, and that (might) hinder him a little on the big tent ideas. But kudos no matter. , but it was time for change. I just wish he would give a little more support to the current gang.



Greeter

Hinder him on the "BIG TENT", and support you morons, on what planet do you live,? MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

More from the KINGS OF FUD! This gets funnier by the minute! http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/

 

[BoeingBoy]

[background=transparent]Quarrels would not last long if the fault was only on one side.! MM[/background]

But they will last forever if one side always insists that nothing is their fault but rather someone else's...that's the world that MM, 9-piece, East, etc live in...la-la land.

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

But they will last forever if one side always insists that nothing is their fault but rather someone else's...that's the world that MM, 9-piece, East, etc live in...la-la land.

Jim

Whew! "nothing is their fault but rather someone else's..."? Hardly...and enough of this crap from you.

You, not surprisingly, once more couldn't be farther from the mark. Should I ever feel the need of an experienced guide for any excursion into "La La Land"...rest assured you would have my foremost consideration. My only concern would be questioning your ability to ever find your way out of it again. Just when I almost believed it safe to assume you MUST be FINALLY nearing some boundary level awareness of how utterly absurd your infantile and completely clueless rantings have become; you've apparently added yet more depth to your mystical abilities as a telepath and tribal shaman, clearly able to read the minds and spirits of all strangers at a glance. If truly gifted with such amazing powers as your posts imply; you're wasting your time not becoming a world wide sensation immediately. 😉

This multi year mess is a result of two diverse groups completely failing to initially compromise at ANY level, subsequently then deeply entrenching themselves into polarized opposition, and being entirely unwilling or unable to ever effect even the slightest, mutually acceptable compromise. Plenty of blame reasonably attends all concerned here. All can equally feel free to, if felt needed, proportionally assign it as their beliefs dictate. While just one person; my own intransigence is easilly and honestly noted, and my responsibility for it fully accepted without apology. The feud is what it is. Making not the slightest excuse (nor feeling any need to) for my personal position; it must be reasonably noted that two determined sides are always required for any prolonged struggles. The Hatfields would have been nothing in history without the McCoys....

Given that you've reduced yourself to consistently insane projections and way-off-the-mark, hopeless rantings...well...as a labor-saving favor to you; I'll suggest copying this link and simply reposting it whenever you feel the need to chime in...although doing so would admittedly risk some embarrasment to the animal ....

 

[nycbusdriver]

It's time for USAPA to make direct contact with Horton to see what kind of deal he can give the LCC pilots in the event of a merger.

An interesting idea. However, the NDA precludes Horton talking with USAPA just as Parker can't talk with APA.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I honestly don't want to waste too much time on you so I'll simply ask you if you know WHY Parker pulled the MOU.

He pulled the MOU as a tactical move. He wants the rank-and-file to think there was something of intrinsic value, and he now had second thoughts on it. It will probably be offered again in substantially the same form, and the pilots (the panty-wetting "Let my daddy vote" crowd) will vote in favor of it by a narrow margin.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Do I have this right here? I was/am against embracing that mou as written, yet I'm naturally smitten with "remorse" for it's not being enacted? Moreover; I'm striving to "blame someone else" for actually getting, versus not getting my way, at least on it's not passing, although I felt and feel the company are the villains here for denying a vote on it? Whew! Seriously; from what dark, perverse, and long-denied-the-slightest-light little canyon of your "mind's" basement do you pull such insane nonsense from? 😉

Oh, give him a break. He probably came up with that when his wife was late with his medication.

 

[A320 Driver]

Paul actually did a good job of looking at the small stuff, and that (might) hinder him a little on the big tent ideas. I just wish he would give a little more support to the current gang.
Greeter

That's about all he did at the BPR meetings...pick the document apart always comparing it to what HE would have done even though in 5 years he accomplished basically nothing. Dean asked, and VERY respectfully, that the BPR and pilot group consider the big picture...what the document gave us, but it was a waste of time. The CLT reps were determined to kill it because "their boy" wasn't there at the end to write it and take credit for it.

The BPR should wear this. They overplayed their hand against the advice of counsil and now we will have to beg for any further consideration from the company and the APA. We are a paper tiger with a federal injunction against us and a NMB that told us we were lucky to have a job.

I can't wait to hear the spin the BPR puts on this. I'll be surprised if they can muster anything more than demonizing Parker for pulling an MOU that clearly, none of them wanted bad enough to vote for it.

Driver...

 

[Crzipilot]

Sort of a little off topic but got a question for those thy remember Los 93 negotiations???

Anyone remember how many times the "ask" changed with the company sending over a term sheet and before it was accepted it was off the table again? Each time ALPA responded the company simply ratcheted down the proposals?

Thought I remembere something like that happening. But then I'm not sure??

 

[A320 Driver]

Sort of a little off topic but got a question for those thy remember Los 93 negotiations???

Anyone remember how many times the "ask" changed with the company sending over a term sheet and before it was accepted it was off the table again? Each time ALPA responded the company simply ratcheted down the proposals?

Thought I remembere something like that happening. But then I'm not sure??

It would be inadvisable for us to play by the Jerry Glass playbook. If they try that, then we will know we have been suckered.

Driver...

 

[Graceson]

More from the KINGS OF FUD! This gets funnier by the minute! http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/

LCC would effect a reverse acquisition to thwart usapa protective labor provisions, so why not employ the same counter measures in the merger of associations.

 

[flyer63]

Pauls firing was one thing only. Hummell wanting a raise at any cost. He told Paul to go out and "sell" the MOU and Paul said no.

My poll over the last week although unscientific says the guys with 4 or less years left wanted the MOU while those of us who have still sacrificed the most over the last 20 years would of had to live with it.

I would prefer this union hire a pr firm and start pushing our opposition to this merger.

It is our only way to get what we want as Parker wants no negative noise at this point.

This merger is shaky anyway and noise and uncerttainty are bad for business.