AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Time is of essence. The MOU has not been pulled by management.

So which is it? Supposedly "The MOU has not been pulled by management." or "Time is of essence."? The two notions paired together make NO sense whatsoever in this context.....umm.....unless the author's simply promoting the usual "Don't question anything and Don't THINK!!....Run NOW!!!....The sky is falling!" typical BS.

Ah! The question is answered! = "Write them now, before it's too late!" Apparently; the sky is indeed falling 😉 Ummmm....Why the great sense of urgency if indeed "The MOU has not been pulled by management."? If it hasn't been pulled, then it follows that it's fully acceptable to management as is. If it's so easilly acceptable to management that they'd hold it open in the face of union opposition.... then it's certainly worth full, in depth scrutiny by the line pilots...to say the very least!!!

"TheEye has confirmed..." Would the All Seeing Eye care to provide any even marginally credible source for that...? No? Didn't think so.....

Move2CLT; you posted this pathetic attempt at initiating mindless hysteria. That being the case; you should be able to easily confirm it with something other than "TheEye" says so........? While you're flailing away with that; don't forget to make a case for mindless, mass panic and unquestioned submission yesterday, or at least asap....? 😉

Assuming the mou is still available (as rancid as I find it to be), well...the only portion of the posted babble that actually makes any sense is: "The pilots of US Airways are smart, educated, and ready to vote. Let us decide whether the deal on the table is in our best interests. Let us educate ourselves by reading the actual MOU language, attending road shows, and questioning individual NAC members. Let us decide our own future." That, I can agree with under any circumstances.

 

[Pi brat]

The Scab Crimi 500


If you ask Steve Crimi or any of the Charlotte reps about the status of the MOU, they will lie and state that it has been pulled from the table. TheEye has confirmed that the MOU was not pulled, rather it was withheld from the US Airways Board of Directors for final approval pending the reversal of the BPR's decision to withhold their endorsement followed by membership ratification via a democratic vote.


In their typically selfish fashion, Steve Crimi and his ever dwindling support base are more concerned with their own imagined career trajectories than the pilot group as a whole. Whether it was using Jonathan Ornstein for a type rating at Freedom or supporting the destructive policies of Mike Cleary, he has left a trail of debris so large that even James Ray's alleged actions at Continental in 1983 look infinitesimally small. Crimi and his fellow Charlotte reps would rather deny every US Airways pilot a $40-60k year raise just so he can cut the line and catch his upgrade, which according to his estimate is only 500 numbers away.


It's imperative that every US Airways pilot flood the inbox of every BPR rep with the simple demand that the power of the line pilot rules the day, not the selfish actions of an elite few. Supposedly the founding premise of USAPA, beyond date of hire, was a return of the power to the pilot and out of the hands of greedy politicians. If the BPR successfully buries the MOU, USAPA will have failed the pilots of US AIrways beyond the dark days at the Key Bridge Marriott and the road that led to LOA 93.


The pilots of US Airways are smart, educated, and ready to vote. Let us decide whether the deal on the table is in our best interests. Let us educate ourselves by reading the actual MOU language, attending road shows, and questioning individual NAC members. Let us decide our own future.


Crimi's race must come to an end. Remind him and the rest of the BPR that they work for us, the line pilot. We'll decide and let them know whether the MOU is good for our families.


Time is of essence. The MOU has not been pulled by management. The BPR can and should reverse course.


Write them now, before it's too late!

This is an interesting piece and supports one of the things I have thought. I was wondering if Parker really wanted the MOU, but was afraid that the BPR's NO recommendation might cause it to fail, especially since PHX went along. So, he decided to pull it, creating an illusion that he didn't care, only to throw it on the table later so we would jump on it. Very Jerry Glass.

I'm not a fan of Crimi and voted to recall him last time. We have had heated debates over things in the past. But, why was he singled out in this "Eye" post? EVERY BPR member recommended a NO vote, but they agreed to let the pilots decide. It was Parker that took that away.

Why don't these guys put their name on anything?

 

[Claxon]

The Scab Crimi 500


If you ask Steve Crimi or any of the Charlotte reps about the status of the MOU, they will lie and state that it has been pulled from the table. TheEye has confirmed that the MOU was not pulled, rather it was withheld from the US Airways Board of Directors for final approval pending the reversal of the BPR's decision to withhold their endorsement followed by membership ratification via a democratic vote.


In their typically selfish fashion, Steve Crimi and his ever dwindling support base are more concerned with their own imagined career trajectories than the pilot group as a whole. Whether it was using Jonathan Ornstein for a type rating at Freedom or supporting the destructive policies of Mike Cleary, he has left a trail of debris so large that even James Ray's alleged actions at Continental in 1983 look infinitesimally small. Crimi and his fellow Charlotte reps would rather deny every US Airways pilot a $40-60k year raise just so he can cut the line and catch his upgrade, which according to his estimate is only 500 numbers away.


It's imperative that every US Airways pilot flood the inbox of every BPR rep with the simple demand that the power of the line pilot rules the day, not the selfish actions of an elite few. Supposedly the founding premise of USAPA, beyond date of hire, was a return of the power to the pilot and out of the hands of greedy politicians. If the BPR successfully buries the MOU, USAPA will have failed the pilots of US AIrways beyond the dark days at the Key Bridge Marriott and the road that led to LOA 93.


The pilots of US Airways are smart, educated, and ready to vote. Let us decide whether the deal on the table is in our best interests. Let us educate ourselves by reading the actual MOU language, attending road shows, and questioning individual NAC members. Let us decide our own future.


Crimi's race must come to an end. Remind him and the rest of the BPR that they work for us, the line pilot. We'll decide and let them know whether the MOU is good for our families.


Time is of essence. The MOU has not been pulled by management. The BPR can and should reverse course.


Write them now, before it's too late!

Write your congressman, tell them how Franke Air cannot even put its' one attempt to merge together even to this day, and has failed a 5 others. Until Parker and Franke Inc completes its' first attempt, they should be put out to pasture.
The Franke Air Alumni Assn. and Leonidas are peeing their collective pants to put their AWA affiliation as far in the past as they can. Save the AA pilots from the scourge of Franke. Write your representatives today, and recommend a No vote and a NO to any merger with AMR.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I think we should take the "DUI DOUG" mug shot and put it on a billboard near APA headquarters!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

exactly how does using the Nic stop the merger? Are you implying that usapa, the group that was all but ignored by the company is going to take its ball and go home..... again?

Sorry, you don't even have a ball to take home.

Oh, and LCC really does not have a West to sell. They do however have 10 aging 767s and 47 737s that could get parked tomorrow. hmmmmm.....don't want to bring old airplanes to a shiny new merger now do we?

Actuall they do read your contract!

 

[N924PS]

Here is a video of MM flying his chopper on his day off.

I think it says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI4d5AeAi7g

 

[luvn737s]

Assuming the mou is still available (as rancid as I find it to be), well...the only portion of the posted babble that actually makes any sense is: "The pilots of US Airways are smart, educated, and ready to vote. Let us decide whether the deal on the table is in our best interests. Let us educate ourselves by reading the actual MOU language, attending road shows, and questioning individual NAC members. Let us decide our own future." That, I can agree with under any circumstances.

An informed vote is the responsibility of every pilot and should not be denied or withheld by a BPR that sees themselves as the intellectual superiors of the lowly line pilot.

 

[luvn737s]

I think we should take the "DUI DOUG" mug shot and put it on a billboard near APA headquarters!

Are you the source of USAPA's "good ideas"?

 

[traderjake]

Write your representatives today, and recommend a No vote and a NO to any merger with AMR.

The Knights Who say Nee!, ancestors of......

"The Pilots who say No!"

Merger?..................No!

MOU?.....................No!

Payraise?...............No!

 

[Pi brat]

An informed vote is the responsibility of every pilot and should not be denied or withheld by a BPR that sees themselves as the intellectual superiors of the lowly line pilot.

I'm confused. I thought the BPR voted to let the pilots decide despite their concerns, but the company backed out of their deal. So wouldn't that be the company not trusting the lowly pilots?

 

[Move2CLT]

Ah, it's good to see the resident douche-baggery get rattled by the honest USAPAWatch update.

It's a fact that the MOU is still available. A vote by this pilot group accepting it would allow Doug to submit it to the BOD for immediate approval.

And this is why scab Crimi is so against sending it out as required per resolution. He knows it will pass, especially on the east!

The MOU is there. A vote will make it a reality.

 

[Move2CLT]

I'm confused. I thought the BPR voted to let the pilots decide despite their concerns, but the company backed out of their deal. So wouldn't that be the company not trusting the lowly pilots?

PHX wants it sent out for a vote. Crimi and company do not. DCA is on the fence.

The company does not trust USAPA.

 

[traderjake]

Here is a video of MM flying his chopper on his day off.

I think that's his second, third, or fourth job.

 

[nevergiveup]

PHX wants it sent out for a vote. Crimi and company do not. DCA is on the fence.

The company does not trust USAPA.

What's wrong with waiting for the company to give some clarification on some of the issues? Let them end their study of the books, talk to us, and then we can vote.

 

[Pi brat]

PHX wants it sent out for a vote. Crimi and company do not. DCA is on the fence.

The company does not trust USAPA.

Like I said, it wouldn't be USAPA doing the voting. You say that PHX wants to send it out. Do I need to remind you that the 3 of them are the ones that voted to not even let the pilots have a vote? I've seen nothing different. Here is the last update on the USAPA website:

PHX Domicile Update

Details Created on Friday, 31 August 2012 11:10
Due to the dynamics of this extremely fluid situation it has been difficult to get an update out. Please read: TERM SHEET, MOU and NAC Presentation all available on the USAPA website in the Merger Library.
After the NAC (Negotiating Advisory Committee) briefing on Tuesday of last week (August 21) and based on questions/concerns regarding the Non Furlough protections of our Now Furloughed pilots, your PHX Representatives voted NO to put the MOU out for ratification. Other members of the BPR had several questions as well, and the NAC was charged with clarifying these items with the Company.
Simply put your REPS wanted more time for that process to mature; hence, the NO VOTE.

The next vote that was taken was to SUGGEST an APPROVAL or DISAPPROVAL. This vote passed 10-0-1 to suggest DISAPPROVAL (Scherff Abstained). The logic here? Simple, we had just voted to NOT put it out due to having questions/concerns. It seems illogical to endorse an APPROVAL after voicing concerns, prior to having an answer for those concerns.
We are hopeful those questions/concerns will be answered soon.
USAPA has announced that All MEMBERS must be in GOOD STANDING, NO LATER THAN September 4[sup]th[/sup]. Non-members wishing to become a member, must submit a USAPA membership application and then be accepted for membership by the Board prior to the vote closing. The BPR will vote on all applications at their next meeting and each subsequent meeting. PLEASE ATTEND TO THIS NOW.
John Scherff, PHX Chairman

Parker doesn't trust USAPA? What's to trust? He made a deal and the BPR allowed it to go to the pilots for a vote. I gather that he will only let it go out with a BPR recommendation? If so, I will vote no.