AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

You are going to have to be specific about WTF you are talking about.

Who denigrated who and at what court hearing? usapa has filed sooooo many suits I have no idea what you keep complaining about.

BTW...judges also do not like little lawyers who make up BS and use it in their arguments.

I'll leave the specifics to you. You have more time for it and it is more important to you. 😀

 

[nic4us]

Agreed. A huge windfall. Moral to be learned, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." It is the windfall that prevents a CBA. This was clearly noted by the ninth.

Care to quote the 9th where they said the Nic was a windfall?

The fact that there is even a NIc award in your career is a huge windfall for the east. Other than that, there are no windfalls.

 

[traderjake]

PHX Domicile Update and Meeting Notice

I attended the BPR meeting this week in CLT. Attending as DDRs were Pat O'Neil and David Button. I would like to take the opportunity to thank these guys for their assistance this week. I would also like to thank the Phoenix based pilots who took the time to attend the meeting. Perhaps one day we can persuade the BPR to have a meeting in Phoenix since it is our largest domicile, and home to US Airways.
The membership ratification vote on the MOU which had been scheduled to begin on September 21 has been postponed. Given the turmoil and confusion since the Company is not able to further discuss modifications to the MOU during the “Non-Disclosure” (NDA) period, the focus of the PHX reps turned to education on the MOU, rather than the vote itself. Accordingly, we are pleased to learn that the NAC will be attending our upcoming domicile meeting in PHX. Our meeting is scheduled for September 25, 9AM to 5PM, in the conference room above gate B21 at the airport. Some of the USAPA Officers will be present, as well as the entire NAC and Professional Negotiator Roland Wilder. Your PHX Reps anticipate that some modifications to the MOU will be negotiated once the Company is able to address them after the NDA period ends, and we do expect the final product will be similar in nature to the current MOU (hopefully with a few positive additions). Hence, the NAC presentation will front-load much of the education which will need to happen sooner, rather than later, in the event that a merger between US Airways and AA becomes imminent. Also, not only will the MOU be discussed, but also the “Term Sheet” US Airways management entered into with the APA, as well as the merger process itself. You will have direct access to Mr. Wilder and the NAC members to have your questions answered.
Please understand that it is the desire of your PHX Reps to bring the best possible MOU to you for ratification. The decision will ultimately be up to you- the line pilot, and it is our goal to enable a vote as soon as plausible. From our time spent at various USAPA BPR meetings, it is clear there is a common perspective shared throughout the system regarding the possible risks, and rewards, of a possible merger with AA. An opportunity to educate, discuss and evaluate this fast moving situation is necessary so all of us can make an educated decision on the MOU. That process has now begun, so please be sure to pay attention to the dates for the other domicile meetings because if you are in DCA, PHL or CLT on one of those dates, we strongly encourage you to take the opportunity to speak with the NAC and Mr. Wilder whenever you have the opportunity.
The seniority dispute remains in the courts, and the next prospective merger is in the hands of others. Both of these will have lasting effects on every US Airways pilot, regardless of domicile, and both of those issues are currently out of our hands. What we do have control over is the outcome of a future vote on the MOU – it’s our choice to decide whether or not we, as US Airways pilots, want to be spectators, or active participants in the likely merger with AMR. We hope to be able to choose soon.
Thanks for reading, and please appreciate that your Phoenix Representatives take the responsibility we have to you VERY seriously, especially regarding the MOU/Term Sheet/Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement. It is our wish to bring to you the best possible agreement to vote on, and prior to any vote, we feel it our responsibility to afford you the best education possible on these topics. Please help us accomplish this by attending our next Domicile Meeting.

 

[luvn737s]

Good post, but I do not recall USAPA ever receiving a quality CBA offer from the company to vote on.

USAPA's prime directive was to avoid producing a TA for a vote. If that meant facing a DFR, or an injuction because of the So-Called Safety Campaign then so be it. Now they've run out of sand in the hourglass and the APA will vote in the joint contract cementing the NIC.

It would be sweet justice if it happened before the first Age 65 retirements began!

 

[EastUS1]

For the east, the viewpoint of "what is right" has always been wrong....

Thanks for clearing everything up in a single stroke. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Do you still believe in Santa Clause and the Easter bunny?

Huh!!?? Ya' now got sumpthin' against Santa Clause AND the EB? 😉 WTF Jake?.....You turn flat-out communist or sumpthin' ? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Perhaps USAPA was founded by those who returned from Canada following the draft.

I'm sure that none out east would dare dream of comparing military service records with such as yourself or your true heros of the...umm..."army" of Leo-the-"spartans" you have there. Thanks for the finest joke of the year!..or ever! 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Reneging on your agreements and attempting to usurp a binding arbitration are not the right thing to do in any society.

What completely infantile BS. Without people willing to take far more radical steps in opposition than what you now, very conveniently I'll ad, see as "not the right thing to do in any society"...this very nation wouldn't ever have been born. A very convenient moral paradigm has been contrived and nurtured out west it seems...and one that clearly requires wholesale ignorance of both all of human history and even human nature it's self.

"In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock."
"A strict observation of the written laws is doubtless one of the high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self preservation, of saving our country when in danger are of higher obligation."
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty....": Thomas Jefferson.

Did you ever actually read any of that kind of stuff in school at all?......EVER?

Ummm...I'm guessing that you guys still won't send me even one of those way-cool-Dude, "Integrity Matters" T-shirts?...Dang it! 😉

 

[EastUS1]

If you continue to support this agenda, you are still dishonorable people.

Sigh!.....Umm...I guess no T-shirt for sure then?...sniffle/etc 😉

 

[EastUS1]

The West always talks about "the right thing to do", "integrity matters", and all that "moral righteousness position" stuff... you would think their great moral friend and confidant, the 9th, could get a little common civility and respect... I mean, come on, no one is asking the West to love their enemies, not even to love their friends.. just a casual, insincere, tepid civility toward their great moral friends in the 9th would be a grand improvement toward proving that the West has at least a meager attempt at civility.....

Indeed.

 

[EastUS1]

IMO....it is a binding arbitration unless it's a windfall to one side or the other. That's what people are forgetting. Case in point. How does a west pilot hired 2 days before I was gain 850 numbers. Explain that plz....

Any ardent nicsters care to field that one?

 

[signals]

The new fodase enterprise...

drum roll...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/goats-at-ohare-airport-se_n_1883995.html

 

[traderjake]

So what four arbitrations of significance are you referring to? BTW, the Republic arbitration has caused plenty of its own problems.

USAirways - Shuttle

USairways - America West

Delta - Northwest

Frontier Republic

All four arbitrations used slotting and ratios.

None were based on LOS or DOH.

 

[EastUS1]

USAirways - Shuttle

USairways - America West

Delta - Northwest

Frontier Republic

All four arbitrations used slotting and ratios.

None were based on LOS or DOH.

As noted by Piedmont1984: "BTW, the Republic arbitration has caused plenty of its own problems." Add to that the incredible debacle with AWA-US, and even the most casual observer would properly have doubts as to the 50% level of acceptance fully demonstrating the supposed efficacy of that method.

 

[Piedmont1984]

USAirways - Shuttle

USairways - America West

Delta - Northwest

Frontier Republic

All four arbitrations used slotting and ratios.

None were based on LOS or DOH.

The Shuttle merger involved the integration of a very small pilot group - statistically insignificant to the merger landscape. I already explained DAL/NWA. Frontier Republic is a mess. USAirways - America West is the Mother of all Messes.