AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

All westies I know personally are top notch people. I have not heard a single one tell me that they would scab. I try to remind myself of that when I read such b.s as luvn spews.

As we all should. I've long ago and often noted that there are many very decent people out there, and have had the pleasure of speaking with some of them myself. Anyone who ever judges an entire group on the basis of a very few always errs in doing so.

 

[nic4us]

Well...no offence, but it must be fairly noted that your predictions haven't been right yet, so I'm thinking I'll choose to not lose any sleep over this latest as well. As for predictions; I must admit that I do find it literally unbelievable that you seem to honestly feel PHX to be not only safe, but destined to grow as well.

No matter, as I'm not wishing anyone out of a job here...although you certainly seem to relish the idea of others' imagined misfortunes more tonight than is even the now-standard case for you. Since "nothing has changed" and all is indeed well out west.......one can only wonder why that is the case....? 😉

Heck! I thought the whole "relative" credo of the west was that nothing in the way of positions/"expectations"/etc was supposed to change anyway. It seems to me that "nothing has changed" should therefore be cause for great rejoicing out your way...no?

My predictions have not been right?? I hit this Silver thing out of the park East. I have been saying continuously that she will affirm the 9th. She did. The problem is usapa supporters are too thick skulled to understand what the 9th said.

I don't want to see anybody lose their job...that is why it upset me so much when the scabs at usapa actually stole West jobs. It will upset me even more to see my job get stolen by an east scab, and that has been the usapa plan since the little lawyer told the east he could help you do it.


I do not think PHX is safe...I just said Parker and KIrby have both said post merger PHX would grow...do I believe them....actually,,, no.

 

[Pi brat]

My predictions have not been right?? I hit this Silver thing out of the park East. I have been saying continuously that she will affirm the 9th. She did. The problem is usapa supporters are too thick skulled to understand what the 9th said.

I don't want to see anybody lose their job...that is why it upset me so much when the scabs at usapa actually stole West jobs. It will upset me even more to see my job get stolen by an east scab, and that has been the usapa plan since the little lawyer told the east he could help you do it.


I do not think PHX is safe...I just said Parker and KIrby have both said post merger PHX would grow...do I believe them....actually,,, no.

There have been no stolen jobs! Separate ops. Learn it.

 

[EastUS1]

My predictions have not been right?? I hit this Silver thing out of the park East. I have been saying continuously that she will affirm the 9th. She did. The problem is usapa supporters are too thick skulled to understand what the 9th said.

I don't want to see anybody lose their job...that is why it upset me so much when the scabs at usapa actually stole West jobs. It will upset me even more to see my job get stolen by an east scab, and that has been the usapa plan since the little lawyer told the east he could help you do it.


I do not think PHX is safe...I just said Parker and KIrby have both said post merger PHX would grow...do I believe them....actually,,, no.

Well..whatever else is true nic; I wish us all the best in the times ahead. I figure that our conversations, however "spirited" or even seemingly hostile, must be measured against far more reasonable discussions from the past, and I imagine you to also hold no serious ill will as well. I feel we both legitimately believe in our respective positions, as so often stated here. I don't believe that's universally true of some others.The whole situation has proven a toxic brew for all concerned, to say the least, and we'll all be the better for the eventual ending of it...not to confuse that with ever agreeing on how and what that should be, of course. 😉 Take care and have a good evening.

Umm...you could always lighten up on the "scab" thing, but then I'd be forced to be somewhat less abrasive as well..and what fun would that be? 😉

 

[luvn737s]

I hope and pray you never have to deal with a child or loved one with a handicap.

Well, even though you know full well that comment was targeted to the east pilots who have earned every term of disdain imaginable, for you I will apologize for that term and would edit it out if possible.

However, that notwithstanding, I would have no hesitation to work during a USAPA called strike. So many here have greenlighted (or codified) the concept of situational ethics, who am I to object?

 

[Pi brat]

Well, even though you know full well that comment was targeted to the east pilots who have earned every term of disdain imaginable, for you I will apologize for that term and would edit it out if possible.

However, that notwithstanding, I would have no hesitation to work during a USAPA called strike. So many here have greenlighted (or codified) the concept of situational ethics, who am I to object?

Hey, if that is how you live your life, with situational ethics, who am I to argue?

"We have established what you are, now we are bargaining on price."

 

[EastUS1]

However, that notwithstanding, I would have no hesitation to work during a USAPA called strike. So many here have greenlighted (or codified) the concept of situational ethics, who am I to object?

I see. So...your personal "ethics" are indeed, entirely situational then? That's rhetorical, since anyone with an actual moral code or existent ethics, doesn't change them because "but Mom!...all the other kids are doing it!", or didn't your parents ever even instruct you in that regard? You would be no one I'd ever choose to depend on in any semblance of a tough situation....period!

 

[nic4us]

There have been no stolen jobs! Separate ops. Learn it.

There have been no stolen jobs! Separate ops. Learn it.

Who made the decision to disproportionately furlough West pilots in 2008 and covered the need up by transferring West block to the east and was found guilty of having done so in the TA-10 grievance?

Who then asked the same decision makers if they could take the east guys who recalled West and about to be furloughed again back to the east were the West flying went?

You scabs stole jobs......and you used separate ops to do it, so don't lecture me on how separate ops works.


How come you have not answered my MDA grievance question? Has the company collected or not? Why has the company not paid the TA-10 grievance?

I will tell you what I think...I think usapa has a "friend" in upper management who abets the east and their scab union. Frankly, I hope I am right...because that is a solid collusion link for the company in any future lawsuit.


oh, Silver used the aiding and abetting phrase many times yesterday.

 

[Pi brat]

Who made the decision to disproportionately furlough West pilots in 2008 and covered the need up by transferring West block to the east and was found guilty of having done so in the TA-10 grievance?

Who then asked the same decision makers if they could take the east guys who recalled West and about to be furloughed again back to the east were the West flying went?

You scabs stole jobs......and you used separate ops to do it, so don't lecture me on how separate ops works.


How come you have not answered my MDA grievance question? Has the company collected or not? Why has the company not paid the TA-10 grievance?

I will tell you what I think...I think usapa has a "friend" in upper management who abets the east and their scab union. Frankly, I hope I am right...because that is a solid collusion link for the company in any future lawsuit.


oh, Silver used the aiding and abetting phrase many times yesterday.

The COMPANY, on all accounts. They have done what is convient for them, not the east. Pull your head out of your ass. There is not a single east pilot flying a former west airplane-FACT.

And the company is following up on collecting the "overage" from former MDA pilots.

 

[nic4us]

The COMPANY, on all accounts. They have done what is convient for them, not the east. Pull your head out of your ass. There is not a single east pilot flying a former west airplane-FACT.

And the company is following up on collecting the "overage" from former MDA pilots.

It is my understanding that the West is at fleet min and the east is "slightly" above fleet min with the added bonus of a fleet of 190s that do not count in fleet min, in which, there are ironically seats owed the West due to arbitration along with some 757 flying, that are actually being flown by West pilots now recalled east after usapa used the company to steal their West jobs.


"Following up"???? What is that BS. The company started down the collection process road from the West on the distance learning over payment the day after scab Parella dropped the grievance. And, even if they are "following up" where the hell is the min block payment 4 years after the fact?

Pull my head out of my ass??? You do not see the gross discrimination taking place here?

The company decides to furlough in 2008....they need to lay off 300 pilots...so 175 or 10% of the West (that is already at and which is taken below min block) and 125 or less than 3% of the east (that is still above min block), and to add insult, they retain pilots who are by all measures junior to their West counterparts at usapa's request so the scabs can make a statement supporting their seniority theft scam?

 

[nic4us]

The COMPANY, on all accounts. They have done what is convient for them, not the east. Pull your head out of your ass. There is not a single east pilot flying a former west airplane-FACT.

And the company is following up on collecting the "overage" from former MDA pilots.

Here is another fact for you....there are east pilots flying IAE powered America West orders that the east has taken delivery of, and from what I understand you getting more next year, so you have stolen not only jobs, but aircraft as well.

 

[Pi brat]

Here is another fact for you....there are east pilots flying IAE powered America West orders that the east has taken delivery of, and from what I understand you getting more next year, so you have stolen not only jobs, but aircraft as well.

Bullshit. In case you weren't aware, US Airways had more A/C on order at the time of the merger than America West. Weren't all those orders redone many times? Whine to Doug. Your stupid rants about "scabs" and "theft" undermine any reasonable argument you make.

 

[Zone5]

Yes I think USAPA should fast track us for release into self help, the sooner the better. A 99 hour month or two will make for a fine Christmas, even if I end up stuck in CLT for a few months.

I'd even support a collection for the east guys, "Toys fer 'tards" (just nothing with sharp edges on it).

So, with West pilots on furlough, your plan is to fly a couple of "99" hour months to help pay for a "nice" Christmas?! <_<


seajay

 

[Move2CLT]

...a minority will cling to bitterness and live a miserable life, even after they retire.

LMAO.

That's funny coming from an eastie.

You still on LOA93? Ya? That's what I thought.

 

[Move2CLT]

Move2??? First, answer us the big one. When is your move you idiot? And answer this. When you finally do move, do you have to commute to PHX to fly?
So don't think any of us take your drivel seriously. You have missed every point. We know where this went, and everybody is moving on, except you.
Don't forget to call the realtor in Davidson, and tell them you managed to step on your crank again in a courthouse in Phoenix. You have a habit of it. It is what we have come to expect of you. Dan Davis says hi.

Calm down nit wit. You're still on LOA93 and my move is still on schedule. Davidson and the drive to work in CLT await my arrival in couple of years.

And speaking of crank stepping, you guys are due for another one of those, aren't you. You've never failed in the past and it is, inevitably, in your future.

No back to your fried chicken you gomer.