August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Zone5]

Keep that DOH dream alive.

I can hold junior NB Reserve, DOH at American would make me a senior NB Captain or a WB block holder.

It ain't going to happen.

This is going to arbitration.

That's why it won't be straight DOH. So, you don't think it's possible for the respective negotiating committees to craft an agreement, by pilots and for pilots, that would pass ratification, by said pilots, is that what you are saying? Go ahead and sell yourself short if you wish, I happen to think pilots are smarter and more capable than you apparently do.


seajay

 

[traderjake]

The sacrifices made by the entire LCC pilot cadre is what made this "game changing" merger possible and you can bet he thanks the "Airline Gods" every day for LOA 93, the rock bottom AWA wages and the NIC for making his "wet dream" possible.

Parker thanks USAPA for the last 5 years of LOA 93.

Ask me a direct question and I'll do my best.

 

[traderjake]

I happen to think pilots are smarter and more capable than you apparently do

The history of the East doesn't support your claim.

I wonder if new PBR member Paul "DOH or death" Music shares your opinion.

You're afraid that APA will use it's majority status to force their seniority position, i.e. slotting by equipment.

 

[Claxon]

Your point?

CLEARY M FO A320 BOS 09/19/57 02/03/86

How is that medical? Coming back anytime soon?

Name/ DOB / DOH
ADDINGTON DONALD R CA B737 x/1x/1962 12/1/1997

FERGUSON ERIC A FO A320 xx/xx/1971 11/17/2003

 

[mrbreeze]

The history of the East doesn't support your claim.

Your continued cocky attitude of thinking your smarter than your coworkers in the East sux.....DH! Are you and Chip brothers?
breeze

 

[traderjake]

Your continued cocky attitude of thinking your smarter than your coworkers in the East sux.....DH!

I'm smart enough to know it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

 

[mrbreeze]

I'm smart enough to know it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

You're entitled to your warped opinion, but you don't have to insult pilots along the way! I am sure that every pilot in the East knows where you stand. Do you also insult them in person or do you just hide behind the keyboard?
breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

You're entitled to your warped opinion, but you don't have to insult pilots along the way! I am sure that every pilot in the East knows where you stand. Do you also insult them in person or do you just hide behind the keyboard?
breeze

A direct question, Dan

 

[traderjake]

You're entitled to your warped opinion, but you don't have to insult pilots along the way! I am sure that every pilot in the East knows where you stand. Do you also insult them in person or do you just hide behind the keyboard?

My opinion is shared by the arbitors of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations, you're the one that's warped.

If the truth insults you that's a reflection on you, not me.

I try to be polite at work but also try to talk about this stuff.

 

[Zone5]

The history of the East doesn't support your claim.

I wonder if new PBR member Paul "DOH or death" Music shares your opinion.

You're afraid that APA will use it's majority status to force their seniority position, i.e. slotting by equipment.

The East, as "clueless" as you apparently think we are, you included by definition, has been smart enough to keep the NIC at bay, without caving to the desire of those like you who would have been willing to sell what's left of our souls to "Team Tempe" for a handful of "magic beans".

I don't know what Music thinks and I don't think he is "large and in charge" of the MOU process going forward. I also don't think that "DOH or death" will be the negotiating position of USAPA with the APA.

I'm not afraid of the APA, slotting by equipment and position per se or the negotiating process between pilots, provided a snap shot at the POR will be used and some realistic consideration for LOS is made acknowledging the past service of all pilots involved in this merger. What I am concerned about is the possibility that the SLI agreement might end up in the hands of "clueless" arbitrators and out of the pilots control, possibly resulting in another "botched abortion" award which would undermine the viability of the combined airline going forward. At the end of this process we ALL need to be focused on kicking Delta and United's butts and not running around pissing in each others soup!


seajay

 

[Beancounter]

I didn't say anything about DOH. I was merely making a case for why the APA and USAPA should be seriously motivated to and try very hard to negotiate a SLI agreement acceptable to a majority of the pilots who will have to live with it. How that negotiation might turn out is anybody's guess at this point, that's why they call it a negotiation. You know, give and take, compromise and achieve an agreement that can be ratified, unlike the NIC. What a concept. The question is, what are you afraid of?

seajay

You've got to be joking. USAPA doesn't want to fairly represent the west, they want to disadvantage the west to the gain of the east pilot group. What are you so afraid of? Why wouldn't someone want a neutral third party to decide what's fair? I'll tell you why, because you know darn well an arbitrator or neutral panel won't let you screw over the west pilot group.

Bean

 

[mrbreeze]

My opinion is shared by the arbitors of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations, you're the one that's warped.

If the truth insults you that's a reflection on you, not me.

I try to be polite at work but also try to talk about this stuff.

I have shown you in the past how your opinion is wrong. Do I need to remind you? Your persistence in this false, unproven idea, along with your thinking that you know better than 3000 other pilots makes you look small, not right.

Of those 4 arbitrations that you continue to insist is the "law of the land", how many are actually past any dispute and are the accepted SLI integration, in use at airlines today? Half? Yet you proclaim it as the almighty word!

Bottom line is that it is not a proven theory. You continue to show your stupidity in this claim and in thinking your are smarter than 3000 other people who are living in this dream on a daily basis.

 

[Claxon]

Name/ DOB/ DOH

AUXIER ERIC B CA A320 x/xx/1962 11/5/1990

 

[traderjake]

The East, as "clueless" as you apparently think we are, you included by definition, has been smart enough to keep the NIC at bay, without caving to the desire of those like you who would have been willing to sell what's left of our souls to "Team Tempe" for a handful of "magic beans".

Says a guy who sold his soul to steal jobs from his West coworkers.

Whether and for how long the Nicolau Award is keep at bay is yet to be answered but the cost of the attempt is known.

 

[traderjake]

Bottom line is that it is not a proven theory. You continue to show your stupidity in this claim and in thinking your are smarter than 3000 other people who are living in this dream on a daily basis.

I'm stupid?

Whatever you say, dimwit.

It's a historical fact that the arbitors of the four pilot seniority arbitrations determined that ratios and slotting by equipment is fair and DOH/LOS was not.

A good number of those 3000 that agree with me, they just don't talk about it because most of them are Captains and they don't want upset guys like you.