August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Says a guy who sold his soul to steal jobs from his West coworkers.

Whether and for how long the Nicolau Award is keep at bay is yet to be answered but the cost of the attempt is known.

How did you get your job at Us Airways?

 

[Claxon]

My opinion is shared by the arbitors of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations, you're the one that's warped.

If the truth insults you that's a reflection on you, not me.

I try to be polite at work but also try to talk about this stuff.

How did your Dad handle a pilot seniority integration with his airline?

 

[mrbreeze]

It's a historical fact that the arbitors of the four pilot seniority arbitrations determined that slotting by equipment was fair and DOH/LOS was not.

A lot of those 3000 that agree with me, they just don't talk about it because they don't want upset guys like you.

The arbitrators have their opinion, but the bottom line is that it has only been a proven theory in half of those cases. Of the half that haven't worked out, ours has the largest disparity in DOH/LOS, so it certainly isn't a proven theory here.

Now....about those 3000 other opinions......I am sure you have proof and a list of names, right? Chip only counts as one, btw!

If you want to be on the right side of things and quit insulting your coworkers....I suggest that you run a poll and see exactly where you stand. I think you would be surprised at the results.
breeze

 

[traderjake]

How did you get your job at Us Airways?

If your Mom ever lets you out of the basement you might get a job interview and find out how it works.

Enough fun for tonight.

 

[Claxon]

The history of the East doesn't support your claim.

I wonder if new PBR member Paul "DOH or death" Music shares your opinion.

You're afraid that APA will use it's majority status to force their seniority position, i.e. slotting by equipment.

Mr Expert, where did you go?

 

[Claxon]

If your Mom ever lets you out of the basement you might get a job interview and find out.

How did you get your job and how did daddy handle the pilot seniority at his airline? (rhetorical)

 

[Claxon]

If the truth insults you that's a reflection on you, not me.

Good night.

 

[cleardirect]

The East, as "clueless" as you apparently think we are, you included by definition, has been smart enough to keep the NIC at bay, without caving to the desire of those like you who would have been willing to sell what's left of our souls to "Team Tempe" for a handful of "magic beans".

I don't know what Music thinks and I don't think he is "large and in charge" of the MOU process going forward. I also don't think that "DOH or death" will be the negotiating position of USAPA with the APA.

I'm not afraid of the APA, slotting by equipment and position per se or the negotiating process between pilots, provided a snap shot at the POR will be used and some realistic consideration for LOS is made acknowledging the past service of all pilots involved in this merger. What I am concerned about is the possibility that the SLI agreement might end up in the hands of "clueless" arbitrators and out of the pilots control, possibly resulting in another "botched abortion" award which would undermine the viability of the combined airline going forward. At the end of this process we ALL need to be focused on kicking Delta and United's butts and not running around pissing in each others soup!


seajay

So you are saying it took you 8 years to learn that the way you east pilots did it last time did not work?

Demanding DOH , not getting it changing to a failed union, still demanding DOH was not the way to go?

Only now do you understand that unity is important and continuing to repress 1/3 of the pilots group is not a good idea anymore.

Slow Lerner but finally getting it. Now if the rest of you east pilots can get it.

 

[Claxon]

Slow Lerner but finally getting it. Now if the rest of you east pilots can get it.

Slow "lerner" ?

Goodnight sir.

 

[luvthe9]

So you are saying it took you 8 years to learn that the way you east pilots did it last time did not work?

Demanding DOH , not getting it changing to a failed union, still demanding DOH was not the way to go?

Only now do you understand that unity is important and continuing to repress 1/3 of the pilots group is not a good idea anymore.

Slow Lerner but finally getting it. Now if the rest of you east pilots can get it.

Embarrassing.

 

[luvthe9]

How did you get your job at Us Airways?

Daddy. That is why he doesn't fight for anything. It was all a gift.

 

[prechilill]

What! Three FedEx Captains! Oh my God, all is lost. Maybe we can talk them in to negotiating our upcoming JCBA with the APA for us. We can only wish and hope.


seajay

I agree. The east union is too incompetent to negotiate anything

 

[Freighterguynow]

You've got to be joking. USAPA doesn't want to fairly represent the west, they want to disadvantage the west to the gain of the east pilot group. What are you so afraid of? Why wouldn't someone want a neutral third party to decide what's fair? I'll tell you why, because you know darn well an arbitrator or neutral panel won't let you screw over the west pilot group.

Bean

In less than 90 days the Amwerica West pilot group will be about 9% of the total New American pilot group.

Try and grasp this.

 

[cactusboy53]

As he gleefully flies someone else routes.

Son, "your routes" stopped being your routes in May 2005. WE are now US Airways (until WE become American). We have been US Airways since the completion of the merger in Sept. 27, 2005 (originally dated October 1st, but payroll couldn't be met).

Here's a question: Have you ever made an agreement with a party / parties in which you were remorseful, and then successfully dodged said agreement by changing your name? I thought not.

Remember what Judge Silver said...[font="Times New Roman""]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/font]

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[font="Times New Roman""]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/font]

[font="Times New Roman""]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/font]

 

[nevergiveup]

You've got to be joking. USAPA doesn't want to fairly represent the west, they want to disadvantage the west to the gain of the east pilot group. What are you so afraid of? Why wouldn't someone want a neutral third party to decide what's fair? I'll tell you why, because you know darn well an arbitrator or neutral panel won't let you screw over the west pilot group.

Bean

I agree. The west should be able to keep their base upgrades and attrition. Wait a minute, I think USAPA has already proposed that!