August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

I still want Newt, but Hillary will probably win.

Newt would be a much better choice but not against Hillary. Besides. I can't see his wife as the First Lady.

http://veracitystew.com/2012/02/22/no-joke-callista-gingrich-is-giving-up-her-opinion-for-lent-video/

 

[Pi brat]

Bottom line.

There's no job action on the East and there is none on the West as others suggested on the other thread.

I agree.

 

[Pi brat]

In talking with some of the reserve guys and what kind of trips they are being called out on. It kinda looks like scheduling is burning reserves left and right for every little 30 min to 1 hour delay to try to keep the on time rating up, then when the big weather really sets in there is nobody left.

Spoke with several over the last couple weeks that stated they were called out to fly a single turn out of a pairing that was only running a little late then the original crew picked it back up after that. Bam another Capt. F/O and 3 to 4 reserve F/A's useless for the rest of the day when the afternoon storms show up.

Yep, run into that a lot. Another thing that I don't think the company thinks about when they build trips is the effect of all-nighters on reserve staffing. Most days the EWR, ATL, DTW, and JFK ODAN go to reserve captains in CLT and that burns two days of reserve for about 4 hours of block time.

 

[cleardirect]

No the quickest and easiest way is "Dismissed with prejudice".
Next case.

If the case is dismissed that still does not solve or fix the issue.

M/B can't be used to integrate east west. That is the law. usapa gets rid of the Nicolau and the court dismisses the case. What method is used or how does the east west list get put together? Can't negotiate because there is no one to negotiate with. Can't use M/B. usapa Will not go to baseball style arbitration. usapa can't just impose their will disadvantaging the west.

So explain how the east west gets fixed and how is that easier that using what has already been decided?

 

[snapthis]

I agree.

I'm glad to be on the same page with you on this subject. The other two posters were out to lunch with their comments.

 

[snapthis]

In talking with some of the reserve guys and what kind of trips they are being called out on. It kinda looks like scheduling is burning reserves left and right for every little 30 min to 1 hour delay to try to keep the on time rating up, then when the big weather really sets in there is nobody left.

Spoke with several over the last couple weeks that stated they were called out to fly a single turn out of a pairing that was only running a little late then the original crew picked it back up after that. Bam another Capt. F/O and 3 to 4 reserve F/A's useless for the rest of the day when the afternoon storms show up.

You'll see on the other thread, they started today day short-handed. Now scheduling is red-flagging trips. There are parts of the day, especially after 6 pm PHX time with no reserves left.

Reserves are getting extended. I saw a case where a one day reserve had his training removed to fly a 4-day trip. Reserves are being flown into their DO's.

It's turning out to be a long-hot summer.

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey Snappy,

On the west crews thread you said this:

"Delta/NW had a similar arbitration result (relative seniority). Why can't you accept it's not going DOH anymore? Stop living in the past.

You aren't much into compromise, just like pushing around a smaller group who pushed back. Didn't expect that did ya? SYIC.

See you on the pilot forum too. Take it there.

Back to the subject:

Message from 265964: We are red flagging FO 320 trips for today 25JUL.
Thank you, crew scheduling "

I accepted back around 2005 that we wouldn't be integrated by DOH, so you shouldn't make assumptions.

I fully expected the west to push back. I have a west friend that I told "If USAPA is elected then I think we will be bogged down in at least 5 years of lawsuits and will go nowhere." Was I right?

You won't see me in court, I won't waste my time. I don't like PHX this time of year and only go when assigned. \

I understand your POV, I just get sick of the incessant whining! We made our decisions, you made yours, we just have to live with them and see how they turn out.

True. You made your decisions: You walked away from the JCBA after the Nicolau List was rendered. You did a card drive and sucessfully voted in an independent union (the primary purpose to evade said arbitrated list). You decided to unsucessfully sue (TWICE) 24+ members of your new union of the "5000 pilots" that USAPA states it represents. You falsly accused 3 other members of identity theft - also a proven loss. You have tried time and again to force your DOH scheme on the smaller of the pilot groups, whilst making those very pilots help pay for your litigation.

We will see how this turns out. I would say that your biggest problem is that you fail to learn from your past mistakes, IMHO.

SYIC

 

[Pi brat]

True. You made your decisions: You walked away from the JCBA after the Nicolau List was rendered. You did a card drive and sucessfully voted in an independent union (the primary purpose to evade said arbitrated list). You decided to unsucessfully sue (TWICE) 24+ members of your new union of the "5000 pilots" that USAPA states it represents. You falsly accused 3 other members of identity theft - also a proven loss. You have tried time and again to force your DOH scheme on the smaller of the pilot groups, whilst making those very pilots help pay for your litigation.

We will see how this turns out. I would say that your biggest problem is that you fail to learn from your past mistakes, IMHO.

SYIC

I didn't do any of that.

How about you Mr. PHX rep? What did you do? Might have to answer for it.

 

[prechilill]

No the quickest and easiest way is "Dismissed with prejudice".
Next case.

I love hearing you blab, like your prediction about Silver sitting on Addington... Less than 18 hours later we had her ruling. Keep it up, you truly are a moron! Lol

 

[prechilill]

I didn't do any of that.

Yes you did.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes you did.

No, I didn't.

 

[PullUp]

I love hearing you blab, like your prediction about Silver sitting on Addington... Less than 18 hours later we had her ruling. Keep it up, you truly are a moron! Lol

Thanks for the thought provoking discussion. You truly know how to express yourself eloquently.
Your comments really do further the discussions of the topics at hand.
Your mind must truly be too big to be held by your cranial cavity.
Thanks again.

 

[PullUp]

It happens all the time. Especially when there are conflicts between applicable laws and regulations in a given case.

Well then, if the court orders USAPA to use two lists for the M/B integration, I suppose that's what would have to happen.
Cheers.

 

[PullUp]

Hillary? No wonder you guys worship the 9th.

Cruz for Prez.

Browns, Jim Brown and the 1960's. It's like being a Cubs fan, isn't it?

Cowboys, somebody please buy out Jerry Jones.

Republicans suck.

 

[nevergiveup]

Republicans suck.

as do some democrats. Got a point?