August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cactusboy53]

I didn't do any of that.

How about you Mr. PHX rep? What did you do? Might have to answer for it.

Perhaps. Perhaps you didn't called Jack Stephan to insist that your AAA Negotiation team return immediately to the JNC table. Perhaps you told Steve Bradford and the USAPA Van-down-by-the-river gang that voting in an independent union was a BAD idea. Perhaps after USAPA was voted in, you called Bradford and advised him that it was EXTREMELY ill advised to persecute 24+ pilots through RICO litigation (only to try AGAIN in the appeals court and be denied AGAIN). Perhaps you called el Commandante Cleary that it was a VERY BAD idea to seek wrongful charges against 3 of our pilots for "Identity Theft". Perhaps you even tried to counsel USAPA that using an attorney that promises the moon, and delivers not a scrap of cheese is bad policy.

No? Did you vote in USAPA? Did you not call and advise? Irish political philosopher Edmund Burke is credited with the following: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Are you a "good man", Pi? Did you do anything, or did you do nothing? Perhaps you applied the old reliable "Hope & Change" political philosophy.

CB

 

[PullUp]

as do some democrats. Got a point?

As a matter of fact, I do. Republicans are the working man's greatest enemy. The republican agenda for 'personal freedom and responsibility' translates into eliminating unions from the USA, attempting to dismantle medicare and social security (not entitlements - not when you pay for them over a lifetime), and making unemployment compensation unavailable and so little anyway as to be laughable.
I'm not saying democrats are any better - they certainly go overboard to the left on multiple occasions - but they recognize the middle class needs a little help sometimes. The good Lord knows that all those staunchy conservative, super-christian, ultra right wing republicans would rather kick you when you are down than give you a helping hand when you need it.
Democrats might not be labor's best friend, but republicans are certainly the avowed enemy of labor.
As unionized airline pilots, you might want to do a wallet check next time you are spouting off on political topics. I can't believe someone who belongs to and benefits from a union contract would contribute and vote against their own best interests.
Bottom line: you gotta vote your paycheck.
All the other stuff like abortion, flag burning, prayer in the schools, etc. has been debated ad nauseum for decades, and nothing has changed. But unions around this country are being snuffed out, one by one. And RLA-based unions are in the crosshairs today.
If republicans have their way, pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, and ground workers will be not required to join a union, thus effectively neutering unions at railroads and airlines.
Think being a non-union worker with a company imposed contract would be the way to go? Vote republican, fools.

 

[traderjake]

Republicans are the working man's greatest enemy.

Which president signed the NAFTA and GATT?

Bill Clinton.

Both parties represent the interests of the Central Banks and Fortune 100, they just pander to different constituencies to give us the illusion of having a choice.

Quit being played for a fool.

 

[Pi brat]

Perhaps. Perhaps you didn't called Jack Stephan to insist that your AAA Negotiation team return immediately to the JNC table. Perhaps you told Steve Bradford and the USAPA Van-down-by-the-river gang that voting in an independent union was a BAD idea. Perhaps after USAPA was voted in, you called Bradford and advised him that it was EXTREMELY ill advised to persecute 24+ pilots through RICO litigation (only to try AGAIN in the appeals court and be denied AGAIN). Perhaps you called el Commandante Cleary that it was a VERY BAD idea to seek wrongful charges against 3 of our pilots for "Identity Theft". Perhaps you even tried to counsel USAPA that using an attorney that promises the moon, and delivers not a scrap of cheese is bad policy.

No? Did you vote in USAPA? Did you not call and advise? Irish political philosopher Edmund Burke is credited with the following: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Are you a "good man", Pi? Did you do anything, or did you do nothing? Perhaps you applied the old reliable "Hope & Change" political philosophy.

CB

Perhaps you are are a dumb ass for making assumptions. Had you paid attention to what people really post on here instead of making assumption maybe you wouldn't ask stupid questions,

I told my reps leaving JNC talks was a bad idea.
I sent USAPA some money to explore our options, but in the end didn't think their plan would work and voted for ALPA.
Unlike a bunch of west pxxxxxx I joined our legally elected union to have a vote and voice.
I spent a large amount of time on the C18 case, trying to find out what was really happening, wrote to every single BPR member asking them to drop it and deal with west guys until I realized I was being used and they didn't wanted it dropped, they wanted martyrs.
I supported benefits for west furloughed pilots.
I've tried and tried to figure out a solution to our mess but have come to realize that our pilot group is just like our country-totally polarized and screwed up. If you don't toe the line for a certain group you are a traitor and no one really wants a solution, they want their way.

And I have grown to despise a few west pilots like you. People that take advantage of guys that try to do what is right.

What have you done Craig except be a guerrilla fighter, wasting your fellow pilots time and money along the way? A false BPR member, dedicated to getting something you didn't earn.

 

[fr8tmastr]

Which president signed the NAFTA and GATT?

Bill Clinton.

Both parties represent the interests of the Central Banks and Fortune 100, they just pander to different constituencies to give us the illusion of having a choice.

Quit being played for a fool.

Indeed, it amazes me to watch people battle left/right when in reality they are one in the same.

 

[Pi brat]

So tell me cactusboy, did you aid Ken Holmes in the MOU scheme? Did you admit it to your fellow BPR members while you were debating it, or did you just take advantage of the situation?

You ran off and didn't answer my question.

 

[prechilill]

Perhaps. Perhaps you didn't called Jack Stephan to insist that your AAA Negotiation team return immediately to the JNC table. Perhaps you told Steve Bradford and the USAPA Van-down-by-the-river gang that voting in an independent union was a BAD idea. Perhaps after USAPA was voted in, you called Bradford and advised him that it was EXTREMELY ill advised to persecute 24+ pilots through RICO litigation (only to try AGAIN in the appeals court and be denied AGAIN). Perhaps you called el Commandante Cleary that it was a VERY BAD idea to seek wrongful charges against 3 of our pilots for "Identity Theft". Perhaps you even tried to counsel USAPA that using an attorney that promises the moon, and delivers not a scrap of cheese is bad policy.

No? Did you vote in USAPA? Did you not call and advise? Irish political philosopher Edmund Burke is credited with the following: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Are you a "good man", Pi? Did you do anything, or did you do nothing? Perhaps you applied the old reliable "Hope & Change" political philosophy.

CB

Outstanding post, CB! Sailed right over the prodigy's head...

 

[Pi brat]

Outstanding post, CB! Sailed right over the prodigy's head...

Not over my head at all and I answered him like a man.

The village called. They miss you.

 

[700UW]

Which president signed the NAFTA and GATT?

Bill Clinton.

Both parties represent the interests of the Central Banks and Fortune 100, they just pander to different constituencies to give us the illusion of having a choice.

Quit being played for a fool.

Guess you dont realize it was negotiated by Bush #1, not Clinton, Senate approved it after Clinton added labor protection, and actually brought back Bush #1 to sign in at the ceremony.

 

[cleardirect]

If the POR occurs in September, then the clock starts for SLI negotiations. If an agreement is reached (so as to avoid M/B arb), a new combined list could be in place by the end of the year. As Clear stated, the APA does not want delays.
Comparing this timeline to Judge Silver's timeline; if she takes more than 3 months to rule, her decision could be largely unenforceable, as a new list would already be in use and USAPA dissolved. This is supposing a ruling for the plaintiffs, which I find highly unlikely.
Ripe, dismissed with prejudice.
Cheers.

Now that you have exposed yourself. Which inside usapa shill are you?

How is it that out of the blue you post about dismissing with prejudice and surprised, surprise what does usapa filed that very same day?

PRAYER FOR RELIEF
WHEREFORE, Defendant USAPA demands judgment as follows:
(a) order and judgment dismissing the Complaint with prejudice;
(B) attorneys fees, costs and disbursements incurred in the defense of
this action;
(c) such other and different relief as the Court deems proper and just.

Something tells me that you are an insider set here as a shill for usapa.



BTW. Is Shamanski just stupid or incapable of understanding court orders?

FIRST AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The Complaint fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.
SECOND AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The Complaint does not present a claim that is ripe for adjudication.
THIRD AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The Complaint presents only “minor disputes” under the Railway Labor Act over
which the System Board of Adjustment has exclusive jurisdiction and over which this
Court lacks jurisdiction.
FOURTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
This Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction.
FIFTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The claims are barred in whole or part under the doctrines of res judicata,
collateral estoppel, and issue and claim preclusion.
SIXTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The claims are barred in whole or part under the doctrine of unclean hands.
SEVENTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The claims are barred in whole or part under the doctrine of waiver.
EIGHTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The claims are barred in whole or part by virtue of the ratification of the MOU by
the overwhelming majority of the members of the putative Plaintiff class.
NINTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
Plaintiff’s and/or the putative class members’ conduct estops them from asserting
the claims in the Complaint.
TENTH AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The claims are barred in whole or part under the doctrine of novation.

The court said the west has a claim.
The court said our claim is ripe.
The court said it is not a minor dispute.
The court scheduled a trial so the court does have jurisdiction.
The court addressed res judicada.

6 of the 10 defenses were addressed by the court. Why would usapa make a fool of themselves continuing down a failed path? Stupid or incompetent legal advice?

 

[snapthis]

July 25, 2013

Leonidas Update

Today, our attorneys filed an amended complaint in our lawsuit against USAPA which is before Judge Silver. You can read the amended complaint here.

The amended complaint is identical to the original complaint except for the addition of a fourth claim. Although the Amended Complaint retains Count II, which was the claim against the Company, it does so only to avoid waiving our right to appeal Judge Silver’s ruling dismissing the Company.

This additional claim asks for Judge Silver to declare that, pursuant to McCaskill-Bond, the West Pilots are entitled to have party status, and the right (but not the obligation) to participate fully (with counsel of their own choice) in the MOU Seniority Integration process. The basis for this request is the demonstrated inability of USAPA, or any merger committee that it forms, to fairly represent the West pilots in a seniority integration. Now we are beginning another merger; one which will create the world’s largest airline with the world’s largest pilot workforce. Two seniority lists are going to have to be integrated via the McCaskill-Bond process. Implicit within McCaskill-Bond is the fundamental assumption that each bargaining agent can freely and adequately represent its respective members’ interests. For USAPA, that is simply not possible. Since prior seniority integrations have provided for third party representation, the West is requesting separate and equal standing in this seniority integration. We are confident that the Nicolau will be the list which is used for the McCaskill-Bond process. Separate West presence will help insure that the Airways-American seniority integration is not corrupted by lingering prejudices within USAPA.

Thank you for your continued support. Please keep an eye on your email inbox for Leonidas Updates which will be sent frequently as we approach September 24th. If you have not registered to receive our updates via email, you can join our mailing list by visiting cactuspilot.com. All are welcome; not just US Airways pilots.

Have a great evening.

Leonidas, LLC Leonidas, LLC

 

[snapthis]

Republicans suck.

You prefer a Wiener, I'll bet........ (D-NY)

Frank maybe? As in Barney........(D-Mass)

Wieners and Franks, no thanks.

 

[traderjake]

You prefer a Wiener, I'll bet........ (D-NY)

 

[traderjake]

Guess you dont realize it was negotiated by Bush #1, not Clinton, Senate approved it after Clinton added labor protection, and actually brought back Bush #1 to sign in at the ceremony.

Guess you don't realize the NAFTA and GATT were bad for labor no matter who negotiated it and who signed it.

Enjoy the cheap Walmart junk made by slave labor, brought to you by free trade globalizism.

 

[snapthis]

Dream team for Pullout