August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

Don't have the MOU in front of me but pretty sure that they do count toward block hour requirements if placed west, but not east.

In the words of the late Carson "I did not know that!"In the words of the fictional Scooby Doo "Ruh Roh" The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline US Airways Eastpilots (excluding Group I aircraft) during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no lessthan 664,426. The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline USAirways West pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than436,850. RR

 

[Phoenix]

Do you know the question?

So in your feeble mind simply repeating the complain qualifies your lawyer as clever and subtly calling the west lawyer incompetent?

What you think that the judge is incompetent too because she missed it the first time in the original complaint?


How about this from the court?

III. Motion to Certify Class
The West Pilots have moved to certify a class and US Airways has filed notice that
it agrees certification is appropriate. (Doc. 11, 40). The Court stayed briefing on this issue
pending resolution of the other motions. (Doc. 43). The class certification motion must now
be briefed, but USAPA should consider whether it is wise to oppose the motion. In the
previous litigation, USAPA vigorously opposed a class certification motion but that
opposition was not well-reasoned. (CV-10-1570, Doc. 111). Thus, the order granting
certification was straightforward. (CV-10-1570, Doc. 125). Absent substantially better
arguments than what it presented last time, USAPA should consider consenting to
certification.


Did you miss the substantially better argument part? I would say that the court telling usapa failed in their filings would be more devastating than repeating a statement.

It went right over your head.

Until you read ¶ 89 of the complaint, and until you understand the genesis of standing, then you will continue to miss the point of merely repeating and admitting what the plaintiff alleges in regard to the genesis of their standing (i.e. ¶ 89 of the answer). Did you help write the complaint.

Never mind, its over your head and besides if one has to explain why a joke is funny then it loses its luster.

Cheers 🙂

 

[Pi brat]

In the words of the late Carson "I did not know that!"In the words of the fictional Scooby Doo "Ruh Roh" The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline US Airways Eastpilots (excluding Group I aircraft) during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no lessthan 664,426. The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline USAirways West pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than436,850. RR

Some might be careful what they wish for. Seems the 190 might be a better737 replacement in PHX than the A321s the company was forced into using under the TA.

 

[prechilill]

Don't have the MOU in front of me but pretty sure that they do count toward block hour requirements if placed west, but not east.

Wrong. There are no more growth aircraft post- POR. It comes down to one thing only: Scheduled block hours- basically two numbers unchanged pre and post MOU for both east and west. So you're touching on an important point here which is this- all growth aircraft have gone east and all these aircraft currently do not count towards the east scheduled block minimums... Until the MOU. So basically, overnight, the east goes from block hour minimums + Growth aircraft to block hour minimums and a lot of extra flying. So, when you park all the 737's the existing Embraer fleet can make up for most of that without having to receive a single airplane. How NICe is that?!?!?

 

[Reed Richards]

Some might be careful what they wish for. Seems the 190 might be a better737 replacement in PHX than the A321s the company was forced into using under the TA.

Consider it rumor, as I am sure you all do anything I say. Jumpseated home to PIT yesterday, F/O said he had Isom visit the cockpit last week. Said they can make a lot more moneys with the 190s in PHX, and that they are wasting (my words twice removed) the bigger metal there. I believe very little crewroom stuff, but this one connects the dots. RR

 

[Pi brat]

Wrong. There are no more growth aircraft post- POR. It comes down to one thing only: Scheduled block hours- basically two numbers unchanged pre and post MOU for both east and west. So you're touching on an important point here which is this- all growth aircraft have gone east and all these aircraft currently do not count towards the east scheduled block minimums... Until the MOU. So basically, overnight, the east goes from block hour minimums + Growth aircraft to block hour minimums and a lot of extra flying. So, when you park all the 737's the existing Embraer fleet can make up for most of that without having to receive a single airplane. How NICe is that?!?!?

I guess you didn't read RRs post above.

 

[Pi brat]

Consider it rumor, as I am sure you all do anything I say. Jumpseated home to PIT yesterday, F/O said he had Isom visit the cockpit last week. Said they can make a lot more moneys with the 190s in PHX, and that they are wasting (my words twice removed) the bigger metal there. I believe very little crewroom stuff, but this one connects the dots. RR

Transcripts of quarterly analyst conference calls are available online. I believe it was on the first quarter call where the company said they wanted to better match aircraft to routes early next year. Might be big changes coming for all of us. West ORD A320 base? East DFW 330 base?

 

[prechilill]

I guess you didn't read RRs post above.

West block hours: 436k
East block hours: 664k

0.65 west to east ratio

664/ 436 = x/ 1640 where 1640 represents the number of west pilots.

Solve for x:

x= 2,523 pilots needed to cover the minimum block hours east.

Now, go look on your seniority list and see how many pilots you have. The 190 is all fat (and worthless looking at the pay scales). Do you currently have fewer than 2, 523 pilots flying group 2 aircraft or bigger?

Answer: No

The fat is soon to be on the east. And those 330's you think are coming to US, don't assume they are going east.

 

[Reed Richards]

The fat is soon to be on the east.

I am not swinging at this, but I am having a little chuckle. RR

 

[Beancounter]

You disappoint me bean. I gave you more credit than that.

True or false? USAPA never completed a DOH sli? The company never negotiated section 22?There was no mandatory time line on the TA and ALPA told the west pilotd this?

If you read the post following it you'll see it was somewhat meant in jest.

True, USAPA never completed a DOH sli, but that is what they have pursued, it's even been put in writing. True, section 22 wasn't negotiated, but USAPA wanted DOH, which the company couldn't do without making itself liable. True, there was no mandatory timeline, but that doesn't release USAPA from it's duty to negotiate in good faith, or represent the west, or abide by the law.

There's some truth in there, but there sure are a lot of, "buts." 🙂

Bean

PS: Even though I have no desire to move east, I don't wish to see stagnation for any part of the operation. I think once the merger works itself out it will be good for all the groups, west, east, and American.

 

[prechilill]

I am not swinging at this, but I am having a little chuckle. RR

I wasn't talking about you, seriously. A lot of you guys are old and I would never use age against you as your bodies slowly break down. Weight gain is part of the natural aging process, and even though a lot of you guys in PHL and CLT look sick and haggard, I wish you all health and well being. Seriously.

 

[Phoenix]

I am not swinging at this, but I am having a little chuckle. RR

PHX is on the verge of being the AA mega hub! Don't ya know!

 

[prechilill]

Transcripts of quarterly analyst conference calls are available online. I believe it was on the first quarter call where the company said they wanted to better match aircraft to routes early next year. Might be big changes coming for all of us. West ORD A320 base? East DFW 330 base?

Disagree. There is nothing really happening except a likely west grievance in February with our new union to open up the 190 to all US pilots. The pilots currently flying the 190 are on the east seniority list but 190s are not east aircraft- they are neutral territory. A nice influx of 250 west pilots who live east of the Mississippi, waiting for a year or so until the AA SLI is complete, will certainly create vacancies on the west at the expense of the 2500 pilot minimum on the east as the 190 opens up. But other than this 190 issue, which you USAPians have gone to great lengths to screw the west (again), both east and west will be bumping along block hour minimums until the dust settles with AA integration.

 

[prechilill]

PHX is on the verge of being the AA mega hub! Don't ya know!

Do you enjoy being stupid?

 

[cactusboy53]

Doug Parker cut your unprofitable LAS flying and furloughed. Get it straight, not the east.

Sure. Hey, what ever happened to the BOS & LGA bases? Oh yea, now I remember.

Flyer, are you prepared for any court decision?

Just curious. CB