August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Paragraph 10 of the MOU.

Then why did you not participate in the equipment bid that just closed? You had better sue Mr. Parker right away!

 

[luvthe9]

Representational election?!? Who told you that? McKee? Even if we did, just who do you think is going to win? Thanks for the laugh Courtney.

Wait JJ, thought I was Courtney! By the way, I am sure you noticed Bojangles has enhanced their menu as you pass thru CLT and then fly back home.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Sorry, but union funds are subject to a germain/non-germain test.

How does a post certified FUKU pass that test without a contract to enforce, or a represented body to enforce for?

Nope, the money is not staying at FUKU, and any attempt will likely see serious charges made.

I guess it's all about timing. Hope they safeguard those funds while they can better than the trademark.

 

[luvthe9]

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OTOH, perhaps the timeline required to appeal to a higher court will not infringe upon USAPA's sunset. Both Silver and the 9th made have made some interesting remarks about alternatives to the Nic. Under the old TA it was my right to vote for or against a JCBA with the Nic explicitly written out in Section 22. The majority had the right to vote no in perpetuity. I don't see how the MOU changed that. The union has enough money to carry this fight on for some time, provided they can 'escrow' the funds for just that purpose after we become APA and the AA boys couldn't care less how we order ourselves.

If your prediction about the 24th don't pan out, what is your plan B?

If? This thing will end exactly like Addington1

 

[luvthe9]

How exactly do you get a pilot, two pilots, a dozen pilots or all 1600 (or so) pilots to "move off" a FINAL & BINDING seniority arbitration that all three parties (US Air pilots, AWA pilots & LCC) agreed to?

Sorry, I will not compromise from what is already the agreed upon compromise solution.

Judge Silver will finish this in one day of court. The speed of the rest of the merger will make your head spin.

CB

Just like Wake did. Can't wait till her honor gets spanked just like Neil did! Ouch.....

 

[nic4us]

You mean the paragraph referring to two separate lists?

Yes, exactly.

10 calls for the AMR and LCC lists to be via MB.

Subparagraph 10 h calls for not changing the listS in effect at LCC other than through the process of para. 10.

So, while we are LCC the ListS will not be changed....but, post merger, we are no longer LCC, and we are now contractually and legally mandated to use MB.

MB say not for mergers prior to 2007 ...so it cannot be used to merge our already merged and accepted system seniority list, and MB says not for merging groups within the same union.


Now old Pibrat thinks the West wants to renege on the MOU...hardly, we want it enforced to the letter.

 

[nic4us]

Then why did you not participate in the equipment bid that just closed? You had better sue Mr. Parker right away!

In case you have not noticed.....we did, that is why we all get to go to court on Sep 24 and get this thing hashed out.

 

[Freighterguynow]

How exactly do you get a pilot, two pilots, a dozen pilots or all 1600 (or so) pilots to "move off" a FINAL & BINDING seniority arbitration that all three parties (US Air pilots, AWA pilots & LCC) agreed to?

Sorry, I will not compromise from what is already the agreed upon compromise solution.

Judge Silver will finish this in one day of court. The speed of the rest of the merger will make your head spin.



CB

LOA 93 for you.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Yes, exactly.

10 calls for the AMR and LCC lists to be via MB.

Subparagraph 10 h calls for not changing the listS in effect at LCC other than through the process of para. 10.

So, while we are LCC the ListS will not be changed....but, post merger, we are no longer LCC, and we are now contractually and legally mandated to use MB.

MB say not for mergers prior to 2007 ...so it cannot be used to merge our already merged and accepted system seniority list, and MB says not for merging groups within the same union.


Now old Pibrat thinks the West wants to renege on the MOU...hardly, we want it enforced to the letter.

I don't read it that way. Para 10h stipulates that the listS in effect will not be changed as we enter M/B. Two lists in effect (MOU language) is not the same as 'already merged and accepted' (your language).

 

[nevergiveup]

I don't read it that way. Para 10h stipulates that the listS in effect will not be changed as we enter M/B. Two lists in effect (MOU language) is not the same as 'already merged and accepted' (your language).

Agreed.

 

[Claxon]

Outstanding!!!!!


Just another scum bag move by a scum bag east pilots. Damn usapa just can not stop being sued.

You easties make me laugh.

Cleary is demanding $40,000 and that usapa stop using HIS trademark. For all you Cleary supporters way to go.

HA, HA, HA, HA!!!

Did you ever notice that after a string of neurotic posting and accusing Claxon of being Mike Cleary , Cleardirect vanishes into thin air. I told you the two were linked.

 

[electricjet98]

'already merged and accepted'

Understand it as already an SLI already created (a merged list) and accepted (by company and pilots via previous agreement) with implementation contingent on ratification...that MOU thingy.

 

[Claxon]

Anyone else see the obvious? claxon had a meltdown the last few days posting repetitive ideas and mental regurgitation. So much that no one bothered replying.

Mike Cleary files a law suit.

Claxon disappears from the board.

I keep telling you all that claxon is Mike Cleary.

 

[CaptChill]

Understand it as already an SLI already created (a merged list) and accepted (by company and pilots via previous agreement) with implementation contingent on ratification...that MOU thingy.

As has been stated here countless times... in mine and other's opinions the MOU is not a JCBA between the pilots at LCC... it is a process for a merger between LCC and American. One huge flaw in all of you'se arguments is it was never ratified according to the TA, which goes away on the date the POR becomes effective.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes, exactly.

10 calls for the AMR and LCC lists to be via MB.

Subparagraph 10 h calls for not changing the listS in effect at LCC other than through the process of para. 10.

So, while we are LCC the ListS will not be changed....but, post merger, we are no longer LCC, and we are now contractually and legally mandated to use MB.

MB say not for mergers prior to 2007 ...so it cannot be used to merge our already merged and accepted system seniority list, and MB says not for merging groups within the same union.


Now old Pibrat thinks the West wants to renege on the MOU...hardly, we want it enforced to the letter.

You got it wrong. It is the listS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. Let me type that for you again. LISTS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. The Nicolau is not currently in effect, you cannot bid the east. So yes, you want to reneg.