August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Understand it as already an SLI already created (a merged list) and accepted (by company and pilots via previous agreement) with implementation contingent on ratification...that MOU thingy.

As I told nic, it is might be "accepted" but it is not "in effect." The requirements to put it "in effect" were never met and will be rendered null and void at the POR. You want to reneg. Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Pi brat]

Sorry, I will not compromise from what is already the agreed upon compromise solution.


CB

"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

 

[nic4us]

I don't read it that way. Para 10h stipulates that the listS in effect will not be changed as we enter M/B. Two lists in effect (MOU language) is not the same as 'already merged and accepted' (your language).

I understand how you are reading it, but I think you are making assumptions not specifically worded in the paragraph.

It specifically says "US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than thru the process set forth in this paragraph 10".

First as I pointed out, it is talking about AT LCC, not post merger AT New American.

So, once the POR happens, we are no longer AT LCC.

Also, it could be argued that the Nic is one of the listS in effect AT LCC.

It also specifically says via MB in 10. MB specifically says not on mergers prior to 2007. So, there is either a catch 22 in this paragraph that will not allow the entire paragraph to be used, or, it is the AMR pilots and the Nic getting integrated.


Prior to the FUKU representational election, the West's lawyer told us what would happen in a future merger absent a JCBA at LCC. This was prior to MB, but is all the more enforceable now that MB is in play. The West will get separate representation at the MB table, and the Nic is the only legal list for LCC to combine with another airline.

Seeham will tell you the same thing, because, FUKU was never able to get a ratified contract and negotiate a change to the Nic.

 

[Pi brat]

Look at what we have on the merger committee and the NAC.

http://nicisthenic.com/

 

[nic4us]

You got it wrong. It is the listS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. Let me type that for you again. LISTS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. The Nicolau is not currently in effect, you cannot bid the east. So yes, you want to reneg.

All 10h says is that voting in the MOU does not trigger the Nic AT LCC upon ratification.

In other words, LCC would not start using the Nic last Feb 8 if the MOU was voted in.

 

[Pi brat]

All 10h says is that voting in the MOU does not trigger the Nic AT LCC upon ratification.

In other words, LCC would not start using the Nic last Feb 8 if the MOU was voted in.

Is this what your buddy Ken Holmes told you he wrote in it?

 

[luvthe9]

Wait to you boys hear your new call sign, it will make you cringe!!!!!!!. Hint from an mid 80's movie. Sure hope it's only a bad joke.

 

[dca319]

Look at what we have on the merger committee and the NAC.

http://nicisthenic.com/

What is your point? We have pilots advocating for DoH.

 

[Pi brat]

All 10h says is that voting in the MOU does not trigger the Nic AT LCC upon ratification.

In other words, LCC would not start using the Nic last Feb 8 if the MOU was voted in.

Here's 10h:

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10.

I don't see "at ratification."

 

[dca319]

Wait to you boys hear your new call sign, it will make you cringe!!!!!!!. Hint from an mid 80's movie.

What was your signature line prior to the one you have now? Wasn't it something about Kasher and pay?

 

[Pi brat]

What is your point? We have pilots advocating for DoH.

Stop the we crap. You're the only one believing it. Have some integrity.
T Minus ...

"7-File your seniority list protest letter by August 9th!
6-Use CRM; encourage others to file their protests
5-File a no-cost hedge of your five year $$$ bet on Leonidas
4-Take direct action; Captains, be Captains! File your protest
3-Challenge and response: Protest Filed? Filed; 3 letters.
2-Help the company help you --- send in your 3 letters today!
1-"

Hmmm.....a little hostile work environment? Off to the company hotline.

 

[nic4us]

Another thing for Pi.

AOL never said the MOU is illegal. Only FUKU's DFR behavior is illegal, and the MOU makes our claim ripe.

Which BTW, it seems Silver agrees so far because she has not dismissed.

 

[nic4us]

Here's 10h:

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10.

I don't see "at ratification."

And I do not see at New American.

 

[Pi brat]

Another thing for Pi.

AOL never said the MOU is illegal. Only FUKU's DFR behavior is illegal, and the MOU makes our claim ripe.

Which BTW, it seems Silver agrees so far because she has not dismissed.

Ken Holmes told me that you guys were going to win in SFO because they didn't lift the injunction. Don't count your chickens yet.

 

[Pi brat]

And I do not see at New American.

It will come down to who has the better lawyers.