August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

Look at what we have on the merger committee and the NAC.

http://nicisthenic.com/

West pilots....scourge of the industry.

 

[nic4us]

It will come down to who has the better lawyers.

Likely true...and the company has the best.

 

[Pi brat]

Likely true...and the company has the best.

There we agree. No matter how you feel about east/west you have to agree that, besides our lawyers, the biggest winner has been the company.

 

[nic4us]

West pilots....scourge of the industry.

That is just too funny coming from a founder of a scab union designed to steal from their coworkers by remaining on the industries lowest wages and worst work rules.

Ya know EOA, I am just guessing here but, I would bet there are at least a 1000 east pilots that can't wait to dump FUKU and get past the misery you inflicted on them.

 

[nic4us]

There we agree. No matter how you feel about east/west you have to agree that, besides our lawyers, the biggest winner has been the company.

Yep....now what I want to know is the new call sign Luv9 thinks is coming.

 

[traderjake]

Wait to you boys hear your new call sign, it will make you cringe!!!!!!!. Hint from an mid 80's movie. Sure hope it's only a bad joke.

Given your record of making accurate predictions I'm not too worried.

 

[cleardirect]

Slotting with fences.....hmmm.....perhaps.....everyone just wants to keep what they brought to the table.

Like 1700 furloughs?

 

[cleardirect]

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OTOH, perhaps the timeline required to appeal to a higher court will not infringe upon USAPA's sunset. Both Silver and the 9th made have made some interesting remarks about alternatives to the Nic. Under the old TA it was my right to vote for or against a JCBA with the Nic explicitly written out in Section 22. The majority had the right to vote no in perpetuity. I don't see how the MOU changed that. The union has enough money to carry this fight on for some time, provided they can 'escrow' the funds for just that purpose after we become APA and the AA boys couldn't care less how we order ourselves.

If your prediction about the 24th don't pan out, what is your plan B?

Did the light bulb just go off in your head?

If you are claiming the right to vote on a JCBA with the Nicolau and usapa negotiated something without the Nicolau do you now see your rights have been violated too? Would you like to join the west DFR case?

Usapa took that right away from you and all the pilots by negotiating a seniority neutral contract. Guess they should have left the Nicolau in the MOU as required.

 

[cleardirect]

Sorry, but union funds are subject to a germain/non-germain test.

How does a post certified FUKU pass that test without a contract to enforce, or a represented body to enforce for?

Nope, the money is not staying at FUKU, and any attempt will likely see serious charges made.

From the DoL. they just hate when former unions mess with the money.

 

[cleardirect]

If? This thing will end exactly like Addington1

Just like Addington?

You and the rest of the east pilots should send back that retro check and signing bonus. Otherwise by accepting that money you acknowledge that we have a contract and therefore a ripe case.

If we don't have a contract and ripe case how is it you are getting the money?

 

[cleardirect]

You got it wrong. It is the listS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. Let me type that for you again. LISTS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. The Nicolau is not currently in effect, you cannot bid the east. So yes, you want to reneg.

M/B can't be used to change the LISTS currently in effect.

So what fair and neutral process do you think we will use to integrate the east and west if we don't use the Nicolau?

 

[Pi brat]

From the DoL. they just hate when former unions mess with the money.

Who was sued AW?

 

[Pi brat]

M/B can't be used to change the LISTS currently in effect.

So what fair and neutral process do you think we will use to integrate the east and west if we don't use the Nicolau?

But an agreed upon process that mirrors MB can be.

 

[cleardirect]

But an agreed upon process that mirrors MB can be.

Who are you going to get to agree with you?

Not the west.

 

[Pi brat]

Who are you going to get to agree with you?

Not the west.

Who cares about the west?