August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cactusboy53]

It wasn't slotting like this. Had it been more reasonable it would have worked here.

Bull Honkey. The East MEC wouldn't have known "reasonable" if it bit them in the arse. They gave the MC marching orders, and so they marched. Nicolau was left to his own process because the EAST MC left him NO ALTERNATIVE. At the same time the East MEC "schooled" the East pilot group that DOH was in the bag. No wonder they called out the CIRP after the final and binding award came out. Your expectations were managed: You were going to get DOH. PERIOD.

The shame is that 3/4 of a BILLION dollars went right into the company coffers as a result of the low wages (and other cost saving measures). A lion's share of that should have gone in our pockets. Not gonna happen.

Sorry, but there are not "do-overs" in life or in final & binding arbitration.

 

[Pi brat]

Never;
He isn't letting anything get to him. He is trying to get you and your pals to understand the law. He is trying to get you and your pals to understand civics. He is trying to get your and your pals to understand common sense. He is trying to get you and your pals to understand that in life there IS a moral and ethics code that you can not evade, and ultimately will be judged by.

You and your pals have changed union representation in an attempt to evade an agreed upon process. You and your pals have sought to persecute and attack our smaller pilot group. You and your pals have forced us to pay dues to the new "union", thus making the AWA pilots pay for BOTH sides of the legal argument.

This is going to be over in very short order. If you want to know which way the judge will opt, you should read her orders and findings. You should also read EVERY OTHER party's legal documents. USAPA is the only party that still says they can do anything they want. USAPA is still the only party that says they have done nothing wrong. USAPA is the only party that still says "it's not ripe". Heck, even Mike - I'M SUING USAPA JUST BECAUSE I CAN - Cleary said that NO COURT HAS EVER OVERTURNED A FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION.

What a shame! Nearly 3/4 of a Billion dollars in the company's pocket, and not in ours. All for a ill planned DOH scheme. Shame, shame, shame.

Happy Days, my friend.

Hey Reverend,

You and your co-conspirators concocted a scheme where you would help write a document, lead your pilots to vote for it, THEN claim it was illegal. As a rep you did give a yes or no recommendation as required by the C&BLS, didn't you? Why didn't you raise the issue of the MOU being illegal before the vote?

Tell me preacher, is it "Do unto others as they have done unto you" or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

 

[Pi brat]

Bull Honkey. The East MEC wouldn't have known "reasonable" if it bit them in the arse. They gave the MC marching orders, and so they marched. Nicolau was left to his own process because the EAST MC left him NO ALTERNATIVE. At the same time the East MEC "schooled" the East pilot group that DOH was in the bag. No wonder they called out the CIRP after the final and binding award came out. Your expectations were managed: You were going to get DOH. PERIOD.

The shame is that 3/4 of a BILLION dollars went right into the company coffers as a result of the low wages (and other cost saving measures). A lion's share of that should have gone in our pockets. Not gonna happen.

Sorry, but there are not "do-overs" in life or in final & binding arbitration.

Bull to you. No matter what the MEC did, had Nicolau produced a more reasonable SLI the group wouldn't have gone through all of this.

Hate to break it to you champ, there are "do-overs" everyday in this world, and you agreed to one. And told the pilot you represent to agree to it. Integrity.

 

[Reed Richards]

Well, good luck with that, they seem short on answers today. I think I have clear all tied up on the C&BLs, so don't expect much from him.

BTW, he prefers Uhaul. I think that was my best work on this board.

I think I have some of it figured out. DCA guy is actually a West pilot with a foul mouth and is actually called Uhaul or Move. And that Clear guy with the circular arguments, that can never actually answer a question without a question or diversion, is "Gay." Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any clue as to why the Company will not let Trader upgrade? Rumors abound. I think the Company actually thinks he is a West Class pilot, thus the confusion. RR

 

[EastUS1]

Dang it east. There is no way that will get past the super sleuths now!

Gulp!...That is SO my bad!...While they already knew about us helping global warming along....At least I didn't mention the bus loads of nuns...aww...crap! 🙂

 

[Reed Richards]

You should also read EVERY OTHER party's legal documents. USAPA is the only party that still says they can do anything they want. USAPA is still the only party that says they have done nothing wrong. USAPA is the only party that still says "it's not ripe". Heck, even Mike - I'M SUING USAPA JUST BECAUSE I CAN - Cleary said that NO COURT HAS EVER OVERTURNED A FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION.

USAPA continues to face a large number of opposing parties, but somehow keeps winning on the law. And I doubled over in laughter at anything after "Cleary said..." RR

 

[Claxon]

"Any loss by USAPA in default, serves in the inerest of the west (pilots)."

eric (add unmedicated) auxier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RSBFUCrfU0&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 

[EastUS1]

Sorry, but there are not "do-overs" in life.....

At no level...ever? Why then, does the term exist? 😉 Pardon me for polluting your post with any logic.

 

[cleardirect]

Well, good luck with that, they seem short on answers today. I think I have clear all tied up on the C&BLs, so don't expect much from him.

BTW, he prefers Uhaul. I think that was my best work on this board.

You still have not answered my question.

What legal authority does the usapa C&BL have after the APA becomes the bargaining agent?

Until you answer tha question any question you have about the C&BL is irrelevant.

 

[Claxon]

The shame is that 3/4 of a BILLION dollars went right into the company coffers as a result of the low wages (and other cost saving measures). A lion's share of that should have gone in our pockets. Not gonna happen.

Why the sudden concern over wages holy roller.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/AVG%20WAGE%20-%20Pilots%20and%20Copilots.pdf

 

[cleardirect]

USAPA continues to face a large number of opposing parties, but somehow keeps winning on the law. And I doubled over in laughter at anything after "Cleary said..." RR

The only thing usapa has won on is delay.

If you consider losing hundreds of millions of dollars a win so be it.

 

[Reed Richards]

And Cactusboy53, your reply to where you were looking in CHS was classic! Well done. 30 year ago, Air Force LTs were actually living mere blocks from the cannons downtown. But even then those Rainbow Row houses were off limits. Very expensive. James Island is what I hear to be the best place for new arrivals. But other than North Charleston, you cannot go wrong. RR

 

[Reed Richards]

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The only thing usapa has won on is delay.

Even with a normal and uninterrupted M/B process we are looking at 2015 for a final resolution of our seniority issues. That would near the 10 year mark for our failed merger. Delay is my friend. RR

 

[EastUS1]

What a shame! Nearly 3/4 of a Billion dollars....

There's a great deal more to life than money son....Besides, per nic4us; aren't you all expecting "Billions in damages"? 🙂

 

[Claxon]

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Even with a normal and uninterrupted M/B process we are looking at 2015 for a final resolution of our seniority issues. That would near the 10 year mark for our failed merger. Delay is my friend. RR

This might interfer with Captain Gay's reroute. He went from pencil pusher to mesa pilot to america west to the nicolau, straight in to the emas in giant POR tions.

http://www.pwc.com/u...re-routed.jhtml