August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

You still have not answered my question.

What legal authority does the usapa C&BL have after the APA becomes the bargaining agent?

Until you answer tha question any question you have about the C&BL is irrelevant.

Well lets use the 9th way of saying things.... "They have at least as much as AOL, the other non-union."

Actually it is/will be far more than AOL, but you haven't demonstrated reading comprehension about many other things so there is really no use in going into it. 🙂

 

[cleardirect]

Other than some thoughtful comments from East pilot PI Brat, and a confession of illiteracy and an inappropriate invitation from Traderjack, not one West pilot will engage me on my questions. So I will just keep posting them over and over, just like the "NIC is it."

While Move continues his meltdown/identity crisis I want to repeat some of my superhero questions. The West and the Company are demanding, and many here have thoughtfully suggested the end game will be a seat at the table for the West class. Who would sit at the table? If the Court picks some person or group, how do they legally represent all PHX pilots without an election? If the chosen party does not meet the expectations of others in PHX, what is their course of justice? Who do they sue, and how could they sue a group that was not their legally elected bargaining agent? The Company's outside counsel has really screwed up, and Judge Silver is probably now having the same dilemma: How do you create a new bargaining agent/class out of thin air without an election? Such an election would include all parties even remotely affected, including furloughed, LTD, and Military Leave pilots. And especially pilots who are not currently members of USAPA (about 500 guys out West.) RR

If you would like an answer. Ask your union.

Usapa is the one that has been begging for years for a compromise. Who was usapa going to negotiate with on the west for a compromise or settlement?

Was usapa going to just randomly pick west pilots? If some west pilots had agreed to a compromise could they have Ben sued if someone did not like the deal?

Why are you having a problem with the west sitting at the American integration table but had no problem negotiating away from the Nicolau?

Why is usapa opposing class certification?

 

[cleardirect]

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Even with a normal and uninterrupted M/B process we are looking at 2015 for a final resolution of our seniority issues. That would near the 10 year mark for our failed merger. Delay is my friend. RR

Delay has been your friend. You are not going to like it when stagnation hits the east. You will be screaming for single ops very soon.

 

[dca319]

Bull to you. No matter what the MEC did, had Nicolau produced a more reasonable SLI the group wouldn't have gone through all of this.

Hate to break it to you champ, there are "do-overs" everyday in this world, and you agreed to one. And told the pilot you represent to agree to it. Integrity.

Not in this case "champ". We're about to lost to the west in a big way. Do over? That's funny. How much you pay for that law degree?

 

[cleardirect]

Well lets use the 9th way of saying things.... "They have at least as much as AOL, the other non-union."

Actually it is/will be far more than AOL, but you haven't demonstrated reading comprehension about many other things so there is really no use in going into it. 🙂

Since you refuse to answer the question I will.

Once usapa is replaced the C&BL have not legal authority.

On the other hand Leonidas is a legal corporation that holds legal rights to a law suit.

The NMB gives usapa their rights. When the NMB pulses that authority they have no rights.

 

[Claxon]

Since you refuse to answer the question I will.

Once usapa is replaced the C&BL have not legal authority.

On the other hand Leonidas is a legal corporation that holds legal rights to a law suit.

The NMB gives usapa their rights. When the NMB pulses that authority they have no rights.

Your not worried at all, that is why you are on this fourum 24 hours a day.

 

[Reed Richards]

If you would like an answer. Ask your union.

Usapa is the one that has been begging for years for a compromise. Who was usapa going to negotiate with on the west for a compromise or settlement?

Was usapa going to just randomly pick west pilots? If some west pilots had agreed to a compromise could they have Ben sued if someone did not like the deal?

Why are you having a problem with the west sitting at the American integration table but had no problem negotiating away from the Nicolau?

Why is usapa opposing class certification?

No, USAPA has not been asking for a compromise, only telling you and yours for near a decade the NIC was not the list. Period.Funny, "random" to you means pilots you did not want on the committee. Ken is a well-spoken very senior West pilot who wants nothing to do with LEO. He is my new best friend.I have a big problem with you sitting at the table. For years I have supported the current bargaining agent, one appointed by law in an election. Get your cards in if your disagree.As to class cert just read the filing, you simply DO NOT represent all pilots in PHX, not even close.RR

 

[Phoenix]

Since you refuse to answer the question I will.

Once usapa is replaced the C&BL have not legal authority.

On the other hand Leonidas is a legal corporation that holds legal rights to a law suit.

The NMB gives usapa their rights. When the NMB pulses that authority they have no rights.

You still can't read.

USAPA has a contractual authority to represent all USAir pilots in the SLI. Leospanker has the legal right to sue... uh, yeah. Its a free country and there is no limit to how much you pay lawyers.

 

[Reed Richards]

Other than some thoughtful comments from East pilot PI Brat, and a confession of illiteracy and an inappropriate invitation from Traderjack, not one West pilot will engage me on my questions. So I will just keep posting them over and over, just like the "NIC is it."

While Move continues his meltdown/identity crisis I want to repeat some of my superhero questions. The West and the Company are demanding, and many here have thoughtfully suggested the end game will be a seat at the table for the West class. Who would sit at the table? If the Court picks some person or group, how do they legally represent all PHX pilots without an election? If the chosen party does not meet the expectations of others in PHX, what is their course of justice? Who do they sue, and how could they sue a group that was not their legally elected bargaining agent? The Company's outside counsel has really screwed up, and Judge Silver is probably now having the same dilemma: How do you create a new bargaining agent/class out of thin air without an election? Such an election would include all parties even remotely affected, including furloughed, LTD, and Military Leave pilots. And especially pilots who are not currently members of USAPA (about 500 guys out West.) RR

 

[Claxon]

Judge Silver gave the west class certification during the declaritory, then she promptly ruled against them. Omen for their soon to be DFR dismissal.

"First, the granting of class certification was a necessary prerequisite to the adjudication of the company&rsquo;s declaratory action. Without class certification, a result from the declaratory action would be binding on only one of the named plaintiffs thereby rendering the litigation virtually useless in terms of settling anything."

http://leonidas.cact...t&print=1&page=

 

[cleardirect]

No, USAPA has not been asking for a compromise, only telling you and yours for near a decade the NIC was not the list. Period.Funny, "random" to you means pilots you did not want on the committee. Ken is a well-spoken very senior West pilot who wants nothing to do with LEO. He is my new best friend.I have a big problem with you sitting at the table. For years I have supported the current bargaining agent, one appointed by law in an election. Get your cards in if your disagree.As to class cert just read the filing, you simply DO NOT represent all pilots in PHX, not even close.RR

I think you better go back and read the transcripts from the last hearing. Shamanski told the court that Cleary tried to compromise, Hummel tried to compromise and Shamanski tied to compromise with the west. Many on this forum have begged for compromise.

Again you better read the court order. Judge Wake thought we were a class. Judge Silver trout we were a class last case. She warned usapa this case to have a substantially better argument this time. Leading me to believe that she thinks we are a class representing the west once again.

We should find out who is correct very soon when judge Silver decides.

 

[cleardirect]

You still can't read.

USAPA has a contractual authority to represent all USAir pilots in the SLI. Leospanker has the legal right to sue... uh, yeah. Its a free country and there is no limit to how much you pay lawyers.

Usapa has a legal right, right up the the moment the NMB takes it away.

Are you not getting that?

 

[Claxon]

The west pilots have a premature adjudication problem.

 

[EastUS1]

Why is usapa opposing class certification?

While some of "you'se", at least on these boards/your videos/your "This is Sparta!" Union Rep/your Move2CLT-Dca319 "east pilot"/etc types, and yourself, of course, are almost certainly certifiable...perhaps it's merely some additional concerns about "class"? 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

Usapa has a legal right, right up the the moment the NMB takes it away.

Are you not getting that?

Uh, sure. Just like Congress took away your legal right to contractually agree to a process consistent with MB.

Sure Clear. The company, APA, and all the signatories to the MOU will petition to have the NMB declare portions of the MOU to be illegal. Or maybe they will just follow the MOU that they willingly negotiated... while some malcontents keep trying to sue to get what they want by means apart from the actual negotiations and ratification that took place.

Try some of that integrity that you keep mouthing your lips to.