August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

It's a good thing those folks couldn't see his behavior at the crew news sessions.

What kind of behavior? Taking a stand against tyranny?

 

[Pi brat]

What kind of behavior? Taking a stand against tyranny?

You haven't seen them? You can take a stand without acting that way. I have no problem with you guys standing up for what you believe in, if you do it in an appropriate manner. I cannot believe that Mr. Parker has stood up there and let guys say what they have said, particularly calling managers that are in the room "scumbags." Glad they aren't public, the childish youtube videos are bad enough.

 

[AWE Dog]

And can you believe, just a few years prior he was in a Cessna. He was started flight instructing after most of the east was hired, a true west seasoned veteran....

 

[Pi brat]

So snap, since your are here would you answer my question? Can't get a straight answer from anyone else.

If in 2007 Nicolau stapled your guys, would you have voted yes for the Kirby, or voted no and just used the psuedo veto power of the TA?

 

[snapthis]

You haven't seen them? You can take a stand without acting that way. I have no problem with you guys standing up for what you believe in, if you do it in an appropriate manner. I cannot believe that Mr. Parker has stood up there and let guys say what they have said, particularly calling managers that are in the room "scumbags." Glad they are public, the childish youtube videos are bad enough.

I was as equally as taken back by the "preacher" lecturing Parker. You claimed he was a friend of yours. I was embarrassed for you. I also remember Cleary jumping Parker when he was trying to speak. Rude and disrespectful as well.

 

[Phoenix]

What the West heard the NAC say...


Q - What effect does the MOU have on the Nicolau Award?
A - The MOU is neutral with respect to the Nicolau Award and with respect to the seniority dispute between the former America West pilots and the former US Airways pilots. Ratification of the MOU does not make the Nicolau Award ineffective. East pilots should not vote for the MOU because they think it will make the Nicolau Award ineffective and West pilots should not vote against the MOU because of any belief that ratification makes the Nicolau Award ineffective.




What the NAC actually said....


Q - What effect does the MOU have on the Nicolau Award?
A - The MOU is neutral with respect to the Nicolau Award and with respect to the seniority dispute between the former America West pilots and the former US Airways pilots. Ratification of the MOU does not make the Nicolau Award effective. East pilots should not vote against the MOU because they fear that it will make the Nicolau Award effective and West pilots should not vote for the MOU because of any belief that ratification makes the Nicolau Award effective.

Hmmmmm. "What difference does it make?"

 

[Pi brat]

I was as equally as taken back by the "preacher" lecturing Parker. You claimed he was a friend of yours. I was embarrassed for you. I also remember Cleary jumping Parker when he was trying to speak. Rude and disrespectful as well.

No, I claimed that the PIC guy was a friend of mine. I don't agree with everything he has said, but at least he is always respectful. Cleary got his rear handed to him and was an embarrassment. I don't know the guy that brought religion into it.

Often guys at the crew news sessions are embarrassing, but there is a marked difference in the tone between east and west.

Funny that you don't acknowledge Gay's actions, but shift to the east guys.

What about my question?

BTW, one of the most common east crew news attendees with questions, GS instructor George, just passed away. RIP George.

 

[Phoenix]

Q - How will seniority and bidding operate after the POR date?
A - Until the parties agree to a change, or there is a change as the result of the McCaskill-Bond process, New American will operate three separate seniority lists and three separate bid systems and will fly three separate fleets. The MOU does, however, allow furloughed pilots to accept positions that become available on other lists.

Captain Gay, if that was what you meant to ask.. then "YES!" ~~ allegedly over heard from Scott Kirby.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The Addington plaintiffs testified that they wouldn't have voted for it.

I had forgotten that. They were asked in their depositions, and said "no."

Greeter

 

[Phoenix]

A - The McCaskill-Bond process does not reorder or readjust any current seniority list.

 

[Phoenix]

Q. Will we get to vote on seniority integration if we reach a mutual agreement with APA and do not have to go through the McCaskill-Bond arbitration process?
A - Yes, it will require BPR approval and membership ratification.

 

[snapthis]

No, I claimed that the PIC guy was a friend of mine. I don't agree with everything he has said, but at least he is always respectful. Cleary got his rear handed to him and was an embarrassment. I don't know the guy that brought religion into it.

Often guys at the crew news sessions are embarrassing, but there is a marked difference in the tone between east and west.

Funny that you don't acknowledge Gay's actions, but shift to the east guys.

What about my question?

BTW, one of the most common east crew news attendees with questions, GS instructor George, just passed away. RIP George.

First, sorry to hear the news about George and condolences to those of you who knew him.

Second, I did not see your qusetion until just now since I was writing a message. I don't think our vote would have mattered so the question is moot. You hold the 2/3 majority and have made the rules. The only way I get a vote is through supporting our legal defense.

 

[Bill Brasky]

BTW, one of the most common east crew news attendees with questions, GS instructor George, just passed away. RIP George.

So sorry to hear about George. I always enjoyed talking to him in ground school. He will be missed by all.

 

[Pi brat]

First, sorry to hear the news about George and condolences to those of you who knew him.

Second, I did not see your qusetion until just now since I was writing a message. I don't think our vote would have mattered so the question is moot. You hold the 2/3 majority and have made the rules. The only way I get a vote is through supporting our legal defense.

That is not an answer.

Under the TA, when we were ALPA, each MEC would have had to ratify a JCBA. If you had a bad SLI and the contract was not good enough to overcome it, you would have had been able to vote no on the JCBA and block the SLI, just like we did.

 

[Phoenix]

That is not an answer.

Under the TA, when we were ALPA, each MEC would have had to ratify a JCBA. If you had a bad SLI and the contract was not good enough to overcome it, you would have had been able to vote no on the JCBA and block the SLI, just like we did.

I think Snap just took a convoluted and obfuscatory way of admitting that he is taking the 5th.