August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

I think Snap just took a convoluted and obfuscatory way of admitting that he is taking the 5th.

As did clear, CB-Dave. niccy.......

 

[CallawayGolf]

That is not an answer.

Under the TA, when we were ALPA, each MEC would have had to ratify a JCBA. If you had a bad SLI and the contract was not good enough to overcome it, you would have had been able to vote no on the JCBA and block the SLI, just like we did.

The west couldn't block the SLI the same way the east did because what you described didn't happen on the east either. The east threw a tantrum, found a lawyer to tell you it was okay to abandon the NIC by electing a new CBA (so long and you didn't reveal the real intentions of forming a new CBA), and in turn gave Management a Royal Flush hand when it came to negotiating with the fractured pilots who could only focus on figuring our a way to get Management to become complicit in having USAPA violate its DFR, instead of actually seeking the best possible JCBA under the existing conditions.

The east could have stayed with ALPA and voted no 20 times by now so long as the NMB didn't step in and release the parties, but that didn't happen. Only two votes have occurred: representational election and the MOU. If the Arbitration panel went off the rails and awarded an SLI that transferred west captain positions to east furloughees then the west pilots could have and most likely would have voted no for the TA/JCBA as not only did that mean that they would be downgraded (much different than not upgrading as fast as one may wish for) and 90% of the wage improvements would have gone east not west. What in that scenario is worth voting for?

 

[cactusboy53]

That's cute Dave. Glad I don't have to depend on your for any hard answers.

What is your question? I'll answer if I can. I wi not answer questions that rehash the USAPA's attempt to evade the seniority process that all three parties agreed to.

Dave

 

[Phoenix]

As did clear, CB-Dave. niccy.......

Integrity is still calling. Its never to late to change the road you are on.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Sorry to hear about George's passing. Always seemed to run into him at CQT time and chat a bit. Was a good guy.

 

[Phoenix]

What is your question? I'll answer if I can. ...

No need. It was rhetorical.

 

[snapthis]

Pi, Phoenix...

Alright, if I were Ms Lerner of the IRS, I would have a good reason to take the 5th. What you are asking is a hypothetical, a hypothesis.

 

[Pi brat]

What is your question? I'll answer if I can. I wi not answer questions that rehash the USAPA's attempt to evade the seniority process that all three parties agreed to.

Dave

The three parties agreed to the transition agreement, the one that allowed the psuedo veto of a SLI-the real reason that we are where we are.

If George Nicolau came out with a SLI that stapled you, would you use the T/A and vote no on the Kirby proposal? Or would you accept the lousy Kirby and cement your career. Simple.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi, Phoenix...

Alright, if I were Ms Lerner of the IRS, I would have a good reason to take the 5th. What you are asking is a hypothetical, a hypothesis.

Integrity in action, again.

 

[Claxon]

Pi, Phoenix...

Alright, if I were Ms Lerner of the IRS, I would have a good reason to take the 5th. What you are asking is a hypothetical, a hypothesis.

As was the liquidation of the east. The dispatchers arbitration came up with a completely different conclusion than Nicolau.

 

[Claxon]

You seem to be hung up on Steve. This is the Steve I know and a great PR guy for the airline. A happy passenger posted this on Youtube.


Amazing Airbus A320 Cockpit Tour for my Kids

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Uploaded on Dec 31, 2010

On a flight back from Phoenix (PHX) to Columbus (CMH) (my home town), our Captain saw us waiting for our flight, and invited me and my 2 oldest children for a cockpit tour before the flight. I haven't seen any cockpit introduction nearly as cool as this one. Captain Steve did an INCREDIBLE job showing my kids the time of thier lives with the limited time we had. Hats off to him, and US Airways for not only giving the tour like this, but allowing me to video tape it (such as it is). I hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

Comments:

oshtayo (1 year ago)
When I finally become an airline pilot I want to be that compassionate to everyone.

• shazbot996 (1 year ago)
  Absolutely. He was the best!
• Miles Harrison (2 years ago)
  lovely job. to the original poster, do you still have that website address? i'd be keen to see his photos! cheers in advance!
• shazbot996 (2 years ago)
  just google for 'airbusguy2000' he has a lot of photos up, and a little site on pbase
• IronPump89 (1 year ago)
  at 3:53 the guy walking is like "wtf man..."
• Steve O'Connor (4 weeks ago)
  Kudos to the FO as well for getting up and letting the little ones take his seat.
• ed taylor (4 weeks ago)
  Great video mate! What a lovely captain i wish i lived in the US
• BBBHHHCCC1 (1 month ago)
  its no problem to get into the cockpit after 9/11 if the airplane is on the ground . since my fist flight i did alone (i was about 7 years old now im 16) im asking the crew if i can take a close look into the cockpit and till now they always let me in .
• nimsu1987 (9 months ago)
  This Captain is just the coolest. What I would have done and still would do to push those throttles and enter stuff into the CDU!
• SkiBigWhite (9 months ago)
  Magic, this is where pilots are born -3

I stand by his anti pilot feed. He traveled to CLT to specifically undermine east pilots. Who paid his expenses for his anti union work? He conspired with another pilot who works against his fellow pilots. Chip Munn. Munn used biased opinion and said they were unbiased facts.

 

[CallawayGolf]

The three parties agreed to the transition agreement, the one that allowed the psuedo veto of a SLI-the real reason that we are where we are.

If George Nicolau came out with a SLI that stapled you, would you use the T/A and vote no on the Kirby proposal? Or would you accept the lousy Kirby and cement your career. Simple.

Simple, I agree, but why didn't the east chose the simple route of voting no rather than forming USAPA and ending up in federal court more times than I can recall at this point.

Let's turn the table on this. If the NIC stapled the west resulting in massive downgrades or furloughs for the west and they naturally voted no to avoid that result because duel ratification, what would do you think the east would have offered outside of the SLI to help the west find enough good in the TA/JCBA to get it to pass?

 

[cactusboy53]

The three parties agreed to the transition agreement, the one that allowed the psuedo veto of a SLI-the real reason that we are where we are.

If George Nicolau came out with a SLI that stapled you, would you use the T/A and vote no on the Kirby proposal? Or would you accept the lousy Kirby and cement your career. Simple.

Sorry. You've posed a scenario that rehashes what we all agreed to. Life is not fair. Your word is your word. Done.

 

[snapthis]

I stand by his anti pilot feed. He traveled to CLT to specifically undermine east pilots. Who paid his expenses for his anti union work? He conspired with another pilot who works against his fellow pilots. Chip Munn. Munn used biased opinion and said they were unbiased facts.

I'm not familiar with Steve's meeting with Chip or the funding. I got the impression by reading Chip's posts he's an ALPA supporter, not anti-East.

 

[Metroyet]

Kevin Horner is delusional. "They flat out told you it was going to be a JCBA..."
Let's see the exact writing of that Kevin. What document, what page?
You lie as much as Captain Gay and possibly even Nic4Us.

Sorry for the delay. I do have other things to do sometimes:

Q: Why are USAPA-represented pilots being given a copy of the MOU and a vote to ratify?
A: To be clear, the USAPA BPR has reviewed the MOU, but the USAPA pilots, like the APA pilots, have not and cannot review the MOU until USAPA and APA are granted relief from certain provisions of the NDA.
The MOU will act as a brand-new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) for the USAPA pilots, which is why they will have an opportunity to vote on it. However, for APA-represented pilots, the MOU only amends the new CBA, as opposed to creating a whole new agreement.

The Companies and the APA made this clear BEFORE you guys ratified your new CBA and removed the ripeness issue. You took the money and accepted the Nic...just like I always thought you would.