August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

I just read the PHL update. What hypocrisy and whining.

Oh you guys we told you were going to have a better union and going to fix all the failures of ALPA.. How did they work out. Complaining that the price dent is not following the rules. You guys never follow the rules why does this surprise you. Complaining that the lawyer told you one thing but you don't like the answer. Complaining that a majority of 6-5 is unfair. But I thought you guys all lived by majority rules. Continually bringing up the same issue multiple times until they get their way.

Bunch of babie.

I found the best part was when they said we were told that the MOU was neutral and the west should have known it.

Next they complain that they were told the officers would be flying and not exempt from the rules. It seems that the union lies a lot.

I find it hilarious that you guys set up a union to avoid the rules and get your way the complain when it that same union avoids the rules and keeps you from getting your way.

Boys you live by the sword you die by the sword. All that bad karma is coming back to you.

Karma is knocking at the door.

Did you read this? I got a chuckle

"Addington - destructive 2 million loss.
9th. Wake Remanded
Nic Award. Years in the rear view mirror, fading fast
Damages-a mirage.
MOU- desperate grab for Nic. It will fail
You are still there, corralled in PHX"

Claxon, you're a tool. Isn't it past your medtime?

 

[CaptChill]

Justice Dept, states challenge proposed $11 billion airline merger


By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, August 13, 10:47 AM

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department and a number of state attorneys general are challenging the proposed $11 billion merger between US Airways Group Inc. and American Airlines’ parent company, AMR Corp.

The Justice Department says the merger would result in the creation of the world’s largest airline. The government says a combination of the two companies would reduce competition for commercial air travel in local markets and would result in passengers paying higher airfares and receive less service.

A lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington, D.C., seeks to prevent the companies from making the deal in order to preserve head-to-head competition.

A spokesman for US Airways had no immediate comment. American Airlines did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

 

[Graceson]

You know how the 9th said that ripeness couldn't be contingent on any other events? Well, the DOJ just filed suit to block the merger.

Prepare to shed less profitable markets to rebalance the equation.

 

[snapthis]

Like I said, medtime.

Tell me Clax, is this true?

fodase, on 04 June 2011 - 12:40 AM, said:
Who is the only pilot in history to regain his medical after a bipolar diagnosis?
Michael Cleary. El Presidente de la USAPA.

 

[Pi brat]

Like I said, medtime.

Tell me Clax, is this true?

fodase, on 04 June 2011 - 12:40 AM, said:
Who is the only pilot in history to regain his medical after a bipolar diagnosis?
Michael Cleary. El Presidente de la USAPA.

Come on snap, quoting Fodase? That guy is the poster boy for nuts.

 

[snapthis]

Come on snap, quoting Fodase? That guy is the poster boy for nuts.

Come on Pi, admit it, you miss Fodase.

 

[Graceson]

Let's see, the guys who are retiring this year, you mean the ones who have been Captains for the last 20-25 years? The horror, the inhumanity of it all!


seajay

Sad to see the sense of entitlement is so pervasive. It really is our nature, isn't it? The above statement infers that Capts were fools to support a cause which primarily benefited F/Is. They're only the next in line standing in some entitlement's way, somewhere. Sad that such regard fails to recognize that those retiring men and women had more to lose than gain these last few years, standing on principles you value so highly.

 

[Claxon]

Come on Pi, admit it, you miss Fodase.

Fodase/ Crapthis. Same
What will be the argument Sept 24th? Will Prechillil reset her failed timepiece?
When is the meetandgreed for Marty? His argument evaporated in the desert sun.
Doug Parker blew it. He painted jets, ran commercials and visited Dallas. Meanwhile, his eggs just fell off the shelf. Bad move.

 

[Reed Richards]

I am not so gloom and doom, this merger will happen. But the power plays by governments both Federal and State will have to work out first. Probably some delay as this is all worked out. All the BK agreements with the UCC and employee groups are dependent on the merger happening, so AMR will delay while Parker makes his deals. What will be Judge Silver's decision if by 24 Sep there still is no POR? RR

 

[CallawayGolf]

You know how the 9th said that ripeness couldn't be contingent on any other events? Well, the DOJ just filed suit to block the merger.

Indeed. That's been my main issue with using the MOU to determine ripeness on the DFR claim. In order to rule one way or the other, Silver would be looking at hypothetical triggering event that may never happen. That seems to be a tenuous position for her as judicial intervention now would certainly be subject to the ripeness precedent already established by the Ninth.

I wonder if she is now lamenting not actually providing a more definitive ruling on the DJ case, which by the way, is still on tap for an appeal by the Company. Of course if the US/AA merger fails, then the DJ appeal will come front and center once again leaving all of the three-way integration discussions in the dust, and of course LOA93/C2004 will still be in effect for quite a while longer. While the merger may still go through if the DOJ can be persuaded, it looks like USAPA might be around long enough to taste either a definitive victory or a crushing defeat on the SLI question.

 

[Claxon]

Per NAC & USAPA legal counsel advice (Roland, Pat & Brian) the BPR was advised to accept the MOU (hmmmm, seems like we repeat ourselves on this topic a lot). After some discussion & some improvements, the BPR unanimously endorsed the MOU. That is all. When asked how I personally vote, I usually decline to answer and invite the party to read the MOU and decide for yourself.

Don't know what you are fishin' for here Pi. Seniority list? Final, binding, done. Ripe? YUP, so says at least 3 federal judges (5 likely with event changes). The last USAPA lawyer? He's telling another employee group that changing union affiliation still doesn't allow the new CBA to do anything they want (after he charged us MILLIONS!!). The company? They are supporting our argument. BK court & parties? On that same page too.

Hangman is comin' down from the gallows and you don't have very long.....(apologies to STYX)..

Still looking in CHS Dave?

 

[traderjake]

Let's see, the guys who are retiring this year, you mean the ones who have been Captains for the last 20-25 years? The horror, the inhumanity of it all!

No, horror and inhumanity is innocent civilians being killied by drones.

This is an unnecessary throwing away of wages and time off because you're unethical too keep an agreement.

 

[cleardirect]

You know how the 9th said that ripeness couldn't be contingent on any other events? Well, the DOJ just filed suit to block the merger.

The DOJ did not block the merger. Get your facts correct. The DoJ filed a law suit to try and block the merger. A court has not ruled yet.

As far as ripeness goes. usapa did make a deal that did not include the Nicolau and usapa does not have an LUP. That is not contingent on the merger happening or not happening.

But if the merger does not happen,no retro, no bonus check, no more vacation. Just more LOA 93 for you. What is usapa's plan B if the DoJ does block the merger? They have proven incapable of negotiating anything. You guys all going to retire on LOA 93?

 

[Phoenix]

Is this an example of a contingency, and did Judge Silver accurately predict/know this... i.e. have all her declarations, judgements, and rulings properly accounted for contingencies... if this is one 😉 .

 

[Claxon]

The DOJ did not block the merger. Get your facts correct. The DoJ filed a law suit to try and block the merger. A court has not ruled yet.

As far as ripeness goes. usapa did make a deal that did not include the Nicolau and usapa does not have an LUP. That is not contingent on the merger happening or not happening.

But if the merger does not happen,no retro, no bonus check, no more vacation. Just more LOA 93 for you. What is usapa's plan B if the DoJ does block the merger? They have proven incapable of negotiating anything. You guys all going to retire on LOA 93?

There goes your Nic. Put a Leonidas protective detail on Doug. He just got another citation for Failure To Merge. Sep24? Ha Ha Ha!