August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cleardirect]

Is this an example of a contingency, and did Judge Silver accurately predict/know this... i.e. have all her declarations, judgements, and rulings properly accounted for contingencies... if this is one 😉 .

There is nothing contingent on usapa making a deal without the Nicolau. If the merger does or does not happen usapa made that deal.

 

[snapthis]

Fodase/ Crapthis. Same
What will be the argument Sept 24th? Will Prechillil reset her failed timepiece?
When is the meetandgreed for Marty? His argument evaporated in the desert sun.
Doug Parker blew it. He painted jets, ran commercials and visited Dallas. Meanwhile, his eggs just fell off the shelf. Bad move.

Evertime you post, luv scores you a point.

There you go, I fixed it for ya.

You zero

 

[nevergiveup]

There is nothing contingent on usapa making a deal without the Nicolau. If the merger does or does not happen usapa made that deal.

Maybe they could satisfy the DOJ if they sell the west and a few DC slots to a smaller carrier.

 

[Phoenix]

There is nothing contingent on usapa making a deal without the Nicolau. If the merger does or does not happen usapa made that deal.

You are a freaking genius.

You would be twice as smart if you were only a tenth as smart as you think you are. Do the math. 🙂

 

[snapthis]

Maybe they could satisfy the DOJ if they sell the west and a few DC slots to a smaller carrier.

They sell the West, where are you going to work?

 

[nevergiveup]

They sell the West, where are you going to work?

Perhaps at the same place I currently work. The question at hand is who(m) would you work for?

 

[Pi brat]

The DOJ did not block the merger. Get your facts correct. The DoJ filed a law suit to try and block the merger. A court has not ruled yet.

As far as ripeness goes. usapa did make a deal that did not include the Nicolau and usapa does not have an LUP. That is not contingent on the merger happening or not happening.

But if the merger does not happen,no retro, no bonus check, no more vacation. Just more LOA 93 for you. What is usapa's plan B if the DoJ does block the merger? They have proven incapable of negotiating anything. You guys all going to retire on LOA 93?

You really are a moron, you know it? You quote me where I say the DOJ filed suit, then tell me they filed suit and to get MY facts straight.

The whole MOU is contingent on the merger. No merger, no MOU. So what good is a ruling in your favor if the whole thing goes poof? What does it matter if USAPA failed it's DFR in not including the Nic in the MOU if there is no MOU?

I wondered about ripeness because of what the 9th said, but Silver narrowed the question and said that part had no contingency. I think she was hedging a bit with a late trial date, figuring the merger would be closed and that would be a moot point.

No LUP is your opinion. She actually gave you one in the last hearing, but you refuse to listen.

If we stay on LOA 93 we stay on LOA 93. Better for me than you. No A330 for pre. But what is AOL's plan, what are we up to, N?

 

[Pi brat]

There is nothing contingent on usapa making a deal without the Nicolau. If the merger does or does not happen usapa made that deal.

But it lives in the MOU. No MOU we are back to the transition agreement. What is your damage when you didn't get something in an agreement that never closed and no longer exists?

 

[Reed Richards]

As far as ripeness goes. usapa did make a deal that did not include the Nicolau and usapa does not have an LUP. That is not contingent on the merger happening or not happening.

That has to be the most stupid and inane comment you have ever made, and boy you have concocted some real winners lately. It will be worth the few months of delay that are possible to watch you continue to come unraveled. I am praying for another PHX crew news soon, only to watch your desperate interaction with management. And I was just about to give up on this board for having no entertainment value! RR

 

[Reed Richards]

Parker just said: "In light of today’s announcement, the companies no longer expect the merger to close during the third quarter of 2013. However, we are hopeful that the litigation will be successfully concluded and we will close the merger before year end." Now what does the honorable Judge do? Delay a trial until it is ripe? I really want to see the order that goes out on that one! Just shows what an absolute (forgive me!) STRETCH it was to define ripeness on a contingent event. RR

 

[Pi brat]

Indeed. That's been my main issue with using the MOU to determine ripeness on the DFR claim. In order to rule one way or the other, Silver would be looking at hypothetical triggering event that may never happen. That seems to be a tenuous position for her as judicial intervention now would certainly be subject to the ripeness precedent already established by the Ninth.

I wonder if she is now lamenting not actually providing a more definitive ruling on the DJ case, which by the way, is still on tap for an appeal by the Company. Of course if the US/AA merger fails, then the DJ appeal will come front and center once again leaving all of the three-way integration discussions in the dust, and of course LOA93/C2004 will still be in effect for quite a while longer. While the merger may still go through if the DOJ can be persuaded, it looks like USAPA might be around long enough to taste either a definitive victory or a crushing defeat on the SLI question.

This might just last until I retire.

 

[cleardirect]

But it lives in the MOU. No MOU we are back to the transition agreement. What is your damage when you didn't get something in an agreement that never closed and no longer exists?

Let me ask this.

If the merger is off. Can usapa use the same excuse and negotiate a seniority neutral contract between just usapa and LCC?

If not why not?

 

[EastUS1]

Now what does the honorable Judge do? Delay a trial until it is ripe? I really want to see the order that goes out on that one!

Both an interesting and amusing situation to now consider: 24th and Court's in session...Umm...Today's trial is predicated on events that've not happened and may well never take place...but let's just have some fun anyway...? 😉

 

[Claxon]

Evertime you post, luv scores you a point.

There you go, I fixed it for ya.

You zero

Better remove your APA lanyard and bag tag. You remain firmly in the control of your bargaining agent. USAPA

 

[Reed Richards]

Let me ask this.

If the merger is off. Can usapa use the same excuse and negotiate a seniority neutral contract between just usapa and LCC?

If not why not?

You never answer. You always simply change the subject. But the answer is YES, a DOH seniority list is neutral as long as it has fences and restrictions. But don't get your hopes up. Everyone will just need to settle down and wait for the merger, its coming eventually. But get out your popcorn and stand by, it's going to be a real show in PHX on 24 Sep. RR