August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Black Swan]

It took most of yesterday's news and discussion, and a third reading of the complaint, to realize this is over. I asked a few days ago if this was personal (about Parker) and some answered "no." But it indeed IS personal, this is about Parker, who is being singled out in the business world as a CEO who not only hates his employees, but also despises the travelling public. And a CEO who is not afraid to put that kind of stuff on tape and in emails. He has said for years employee moral makes no business sense. The Obama administration is going to make an example of the overreach of big business, and Parker will be their symbol. He has made it very easy for them to make their case. I am not here to spread gloom and doom, but I have already advised my own family and friends not to waste their time trying to follow all the legal events to come. Don't allow false hopes to ruin your lives, it is time to move on. All the petitions and rah rah rallys on Capitol Hill with labor and Parker arm and arm are just going to disgust the public. They now have a peek behind the curtain of a CEO that treats his own employees as disposables and his passengers as simply cows to be milked. Those unpleasant analogies are not the way you create the largest airline in the world. Such epic enterprises must be done with grace, humility, and especially with the loyal following of your own employees. Stick a fork in it. RR

Agreed. Parker is a lightning rod now. The company will continue to attract negative news with him at the helm. I am sure the Forbes story is being written now, and it will rehash the DUI history, labor unrest, mishandling of employee data,low wages, and failed string of mergers. The frat house days need to come down fast.
The only way out is to get new leaders and roll back some fees, pay employees more. The Parker way of business will continue to fail. LCC needs Gordon Bethune to come out of retirement and take over.
I will never write a letter for Parker. Get rid of him, then yes.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That's correct.....LOA93 continues on.

Oh well, but you will get profit sharing look at the upside, any KASHER WORD?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It took most of yesterday's news and discussion, and a third reading of the complaint, to realize this is over. I asked a few days ago if this was personal (about Parker) and some answered "no." But it indeed IS personal, this is about Parker, who is being singled out in the business world as a CEO who not only hates his employees, but also despises the travelling public. And a CEO who is not afraid to put that kind of stuff on tape and in emails. He has said for years employee moral makes no business sense. The Obama administration is going to make an example of the overreach of big business, and Parker will be their symbol. He has made it very easy for them to make their case. I am not here to spread gloom and doom, but I have already advised my own family and friends not to waste their time trying to follow all the legal events to come. Don't allow false hopes to ruin your lives, it is time to move on. All the petitions and rah rah rallys on Capitol Hill with labor and Parker arm and arm are just going to disgust the public. They now have a peek behind the curtain of a CEO that treats his own employees as disposables and his passengers as simply cows to be milked. Those unpleasant analogies are not the way you create the largest airline in the world. Such epic enterprises must be done with grace, humility, and especially with the loyal following of your own employees. Stick a fork in it. RR

He was given a great opportunity and squandered it and so goes the WEST! It will get real ugly as you say, they will slice and dice his personal life, DUI's and whatever else went on in that office hanky panky where rules don't apply in AZ! This thing is toast and the tip of the iceberg is comin straight at this Clown brigade of the once AWA! Americas Worst AIRLINE!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wp-xumQCew Speaking of CLOWNS

 

[Piedmont1984]

Seems to me that some of the hard liners here who view the past several years of litigation, stagnation, LOA93, high dues, dysfunctional union and pilot disunity as having been worth the cost in order to fight a bad arbitration award are ready to capitulate exactly two days after the DOJ says Boo.

Fighting the Nic is and has been a worthy cause. But one of the principal reasons for doing so has been the economic harm inflicted upon a large number of east pilots by the award. The economic benefits from a merger with AA are significantly higher than those from prevailing in our seniority dispute.

I would urge everyone to sign the petition and write your representative. Such a effort will take maybe thirty cumulative minutes of your time, a miniscule fraction of the time and effort you spend posting, jousting or lurking on this forum.

Just like the Nic, win, lose or draw I believe it is worth the fight. If nothing else, at the end of the day we bloody the nose of this misguided DOJ which is run by a political appointee. The attorneys will fight this because of the legal and business reasons the two companies feel are on their side. We, the employees, should fight this because, like the seniority dispute, the government position is unfair, unjust and represents a 'windfall' to DAL, UAL and SWA.

 

[N924PS]

Seems to me that some of the hard liners here who view the past several years of litigation, stagnation, LOA93, high dues, dysfunctional union and pilot disunity as having been worth the cost in order to fight a bad arbitration award are ready to capitulate exactly two days after the DOJ says Boo.

Fighting the Nic is and has been a worthy cause. But one of the principal reasons for doing so has been the economic harm inflicted upon a large number of east pilots by the award. The economic benefits from a merger with AA are significantly higher than those from prevailing in our seniority dispute.

I would urge everyone to sign the petition and write your representative. Such a effort will take maybe thirty cumulative minutes of your time, a miniscule fraction of the time and effort you spend posting, jousting or lurking on this forum.

Just like the Nic, win, lose or draw I believe it is worth the fight. If nothing else, at the end of the day we bloody the nose of this misguided DOJ which is run by a political appointee. The attorneys will fight this because of the legal and business reasons the two companies feel are on their side. We, the employees, should fight this because, like the seniority dispute, the government position is unfair, unjust and represents a 'windfall' to DAL, UAL and SWA.

Excellent post!

 

[Piedmont1984]

P.S.

And if it means a march in Washington between now and Xmas then hey - free field trip and a day away from your keyboard.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Seems to me that some of the hard liners here who view the past several years of litigation, stagnation, LOA93, high dues, dysfunctional union and pilot disunity as having been worth the cost in order to fight a bad arbitration award are ready to capitulate exactly two days after the DOJ says Boo.

Fighting the Nic is and has been a worthy cause. But one of the principal reasons for doing so has been the economic harm inflicted upon a large number of east pilots by the award. The economic benefits from a merger with AA are significantly higher than those from prevailing in our seniority dispute.

Are you sure? How do you know the 15year pilot that got trashed in the NIC behind the 6mos AWA pilot won't get further trashed, Totally disagree, The economic benefits for you maybe, For one I am not an ENABLER, DUI got here, he want's to lead, he might try setting an example! To little to late!

 

[Graceson]

It took most of yesterday's news and discussion, and a third reading of the complaint, to realize this is over. I asked a few days ago if this was personal (about Parker) and some answered "no." But it indeed IS personal, this is about Parker, who is being singled out in the business world as a CEO who not only hates his employees, but also despises the travelling public. And a CEO who is not afraid to put that kind of stuff on tape and in emails. He has said for years employee moral makes no business sense. The Obama administration is going to make an example of the overreach of big business, and Parker will be their symbol. He has made it very easy for them to make their case. I am not here to spread gloom and doom, but I have already advised my own family and friends not to waste their time trying to follow all the legal events to come. Don't allow false hopes to ruin your lives, it is time to move on. All the petitions and rah rah rallys on Capitol Hill with labor and Parker arm and arm are just going to disgust the public. They now have a peek behind the curtain of a CEO that treats his own employees as disposables and his passengers as simply cows to be milked. Those unpleasant analogies are not the way you create the largest airline in the world. Such epic enterprises must be done with grace, humility, and especially with the loyal following of your own employees. Stick a fork in it. RR

I'm willing to picket the courthouse --- Bronner CEO for New American.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Have the boys load up the van...

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Excellent post! FOR YOU, goin to school?

 

[Portly Dorman]

Are you sure? How do you know the 15year pilot that got trashed in the NIC behind the 6mos AWA pilot won't get further trashed, Totally disagree, The economic benefits for you maybe, For one I am not an ENABLER, DUI got here, he want's to lead, he might try setting an example! To little to late!

Was that 15 year guy working or furloughed? Did he have furlough time?

Maybe the "We're comfortable with our position" wasn't the correct response.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You can send ERIC HOLDER an email and MR. BAUER and tell him how you feel and what a great job they are doing! I did and expressed my feelings about the current situation and thanked them for their service! http://www.justice.gov/

 

[CallawayGolf]

It took most of yesterday's news and discussion, and a third reading of the complaint, to realize this is over. I asked a few days ago if this was personal (about Parker) and some answered "no." But it indeed IS personal, this is about Parker, who is being singled out in the business world as a CEO who not only hates his employees, but also despises the travelling public. And a CEO who is not afraid to put that kind of stuff on tape and in emails. He has said for years employee moral makes no business sense. The Obama administration is going to make an example of the overreach of big business, and Parker will be their symbol. He has made it very easy for them to make their case. I am not here to spread gloom and doom, but I have already advised my own family and friends not to waste their time trying to follow all the legal events to come. Don't allow false hopes to ruin your lives, it is time to move on. All the petitions and rah rah rallys on Capitol Hill with labor and Parker arm and arm are just going to disgust the public. They now have a peek behind the curtain of a CEO that treats his own employees as disposables and his passengers as simply cows to be milked. Those unpleasant analogies are not the way you create the largest airline in the world. Such epic enterprises must be done with grace, humility, and especially with the loyal following of your own employees. Stick a fork in it. RR

Can you cite your source(s) where the DOJ or others in a position of authority/control have stated that this is personal against Parker, or where they claim Parker hates employees and despises his customers? Otherwise, you are just projecting your negative feelings into someone else's words where they never made such a claim.

Every workgroup except the pilots have reached a new bargaining agreement under Parker as CEO. The pilots could have had that in 2007 but the east pilots chose a SLI quagmire strategy instead of pursuing wage improvements. And as far as customers go, they generate demand for low fares and reliable service to their destinations. Providing travel services that meet customer demand is not the definition of despising one's customers. Offering people what they don't want or demand as their highest purchase selection criteria might meet the definition of despising, but what LCC does certainly does not. What is the LF again?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

"....the reality is that the East-controlled USAPA is the root cause of the troubles for the West." Leonidas Update July 20, 2013

It's not ALPA....it's the scum of the earth East pilots. And now, more delay because.....IT'S NOT RIPE! We'll know Friday what Silver does.

If the merger falls through, and an ALPO card comes around, I'll sign in. I'll just leave it at that. I've seen enough of usapa.