August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

If the merger falls through, and an ALPO card comes around, I'll sign in. I'll just leave it at that. I've seen enough of usapa.

And we've seen enough of West pilots. Let the games resume!

 

[EastUS1]

I won't bother to make a prediction about obama/Holder's hard on for DUI.

Agreed, but I'd think it best for all to now plan without expectations of this merger happening.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Agreed, but I'd think it best for all to now plan without expectations of this merger happening.

You should always plan for a go-around right?

 

[EastUS1]

Incriminating communiques can work both ways. The DOJ action smells of lobbying efforts by those who would gain from this merger failing. I hope someone discovers an electronic trail from the DOJ to the executive suites at DAL, SWA, UAL and others.

"The DOJ action smells of lobbying efforts.." Of course it does, plus serves whatever distracting value/"we're really the good guys and we care about you little people" blatant BS the Obama/Holder crowd seeks to gain, but...to just hope that those others involved are at all as incredibly foolish as top management here via any electronic trail, is indeed, just plain hoping....and one doesn't see youtube plastered with "cute" videos of the others dancing around gangnam style.

 

[Freighterguynow]

It took most of yesterday's news and discussion, and a third reading of the complaint, to realize this is over. I asked a few days ago if this was personal (about Parker) and some answered "no." But it indeed IS personal, this is about Parker, who is being singled out in the business world as a CEO who not only hates his employees, but also despises the travelling public. And a CEO who is not afraid to put that kind of stuff on tape and in emails. He has said for years employee moral makes no business sense. The Obama administration is going to make an example of the overreach of big business, and Parker will be their symbol. He has made it very easy for them to make their case. I am not here to spread gloom and doom, but I have already advised my own family and friends not to waste their time trying to follow all the legal events to come. Don't allow false hopes to ruin your lives, it is time to move on. All the petitions and rah rah rallys on Capitol Hill with labor and Parker arm and arm are just going to disgust the public. They now have a peek behind the curtain of a CEO that treats his own employees as disposables and his passengers as simply cows to be milked. Those unpleasant analogies are not the way you create the largest airline in the world. Such epic enterprises must be done with grace, humility, and especially with the loyal following of your own employees. Stick a fork in it. RR

Trumped by $14 Billion

 

[EastUS1]

You should always plan for a go-around right?

Always.

 

[nic4us]

Has the Govt. given up on going after Zimmerman for a civil rights violation? Hopefully they are not dumb enough to open a new can of worms.

That was just fluff they threw out there to placate the mob until some other news comes along and distracts attention.

 

[nic4us]

More like a 17 year guy, slotted behind a 6 month, probationary (not even a union member) West new hire and no, I've never been furloughed. The fact that the AWA new hire is over twenty years younger that me, just rubbed salt in the wound. It's never a good idea to add insult to injury!


seajay

It does not matter if the people you were slotted behind are 20 years or 2 months younger than you, either way, they are senior to you for the rest of your career.

Now the AWA guy who had a thousand about to be unemployed east pilots placed in front of him needs them all to be older to ever recoup even a portion of the seniority he lost in the Nic.

You east guys are the biggest bunch of whining malcontent jack wagons I have ever had the misfortune ot be forcefully associated. nic gave you more than you actually deserved, but failing giving you the entire airline you could not be satisfied.


Your infantile whoa is me crap is so past tiresome.

 

[Phoenix]

Agreed, but I'd think it best for all to now plan without expectations of this merger happening.

I never changed any of my plans as if it was going to happen. (I think Prechi and Clear may have bought houses in CLT and have been commuting to PHX for five years ).

About the only thing I plan ahead for in this industry is my next CQT, a V1 cut, and an FA that escalates a pax problem.

 

[nevergiveup]

I never changed any of my plans as if it was going to happen. (I think Prechi and Clear may have bought houses in CLT and have been commuting to PHX for five years ).

About the only thing I plan ahead for in this industry is my next CQT, a V1 cut, and an FA that escalates a pax problem.

I always plan for dinner!

 

[Pi brat]

For something different, did the pilots that were due money on the block hour greivance ever get paid?

 

[snapthis]

"4 Accordingly, American respectfully requests that the Court continue all means necessary
5 to resolve the case with all due haste."

"US Airways respectfully suggests that the trial currently scheduled for
25 September 24-25, 2013 should proceed. Doing so will protect US Airways’ significant
26 interest in a prompt resolution of the disputed claims in a manner that does not prejudice
27 plaintiffs or USAPA."

"It is apparent, once again, that USAPA is using the DOJ action in yet another effort to delay resolution of the pilot seniority integration between East and West. The Court should not dismiss this lawsuit, but allow it to continue as presently scheduled so that this dispute can be resolved and once the merger is consummated move forward with all deliberate speed."
POLSINELLI PC

Let me guess, USAPA wants a delay.

 

[nevergiveup]

It does not matter if the people you were slotted behind are 20 years or 2 months younger than you, either way, they are senior to you for the rest of your career.

Now the AWA guy who had a thousand about to be unemployed east pilots placed in front of him needs them all to be older to ever recoup even a portion of the seniority he lost in the Nic.

You east guys are the biggest bunch of whining malcontent jack wagons I have ever had the misfortune ot be forcefully associated. nic gave you more than you actually deserved, but failing giving you the entire airline you could not be satisfied.


Your infantile whoa is me crap is so past tiresome.

I can help you get that plank out of your eye....hold on....wait....never mind, it's a piece of drywall.

 

[Pi brat]

"4 Accordingly, American respectfully requests that the Court continue all means necessary
5 to resolve the case with all due haste."

"US Airways respectfully suggests that the trial currently scheduled for
25 September 24-25, 2013 should proceed. Doing so will protect US Airways’ significant
26 interest in a prompt resolution of the disputed claims in a manner that does not prejudice
27 plaintiffs or USAPA."

"It is apparent, once again, that USAPA is using the DOJ action in yet another effort to delay resolution of the pilot seniority integration between East and West. The Court should not dismiss this lawsuit, but allow it to continue as presently scheduled so that this dispute can be resolved and once the merger is consummated move forward with all deliberate speed."
POLSINELLI PC

Let me guess, USAPA wants a delay.

Um, it was Judge Silver that asked the question to begin with. I think she scheduled the hearing for after por, when she thought the ripness question, and her interpretation would be moot. Oops.

 

[Metroyet]

The longer USAPA tries to hide behind ripeness...something that will inveitably go away, the more devalued the East Pilots careers are. If USAPA is so comfortable with the legality of their behavior then why the hell would they want any form of delay? Why wouldn't they be racing into the court room to get that DOH and a huge raise?

We all know the answer to that but USAPA will never have the stones to admit it. What benefit is it to delay? You guys are $50+ dollars an hour behind everyone else and there is no end in sight. Ever. At least not until this Nic. thing is settled and the company can freely negotiate in a normal, legal, rational environment.