August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[FL430]

Dude, you're losing it!! I guess LOA93 is really taking a toll. Being there's now no end in sight I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I never said I had no interest in this, just that I never worked for US Air or AMW. What's so tough to understand? I ASSURE you, you have NO IDEA who I am. Who cares who I am? I don't give a schit who any of you are. It's irrelevent.

Now go breathe into a paper bag or something.

Not loosing it at all. I'm fine on LOA93, this job is just beer money for me. How can you ASSURE anyone that I do not know who you are? You are discounting the fact that I may know this websites owners? Did you even consider that possibility when you made your asinine statement? You are right about one thing though, I could care less about who you are, you are irrelevant. There, I spelled it correctly for you, so now you learned two things from me today. IRRELEVANT.

 

[EastUS1]

Proud of trashing Nicolau, ZERO-three-four? A WWII vet who lost a leg in his service to our country.

You're a ZERO. Nic is a hero.

I've the utmost respect for his Service to America, but none for the abomination he created with the Nic "award". While we're "heroically" beating war drums here though...umm...remind me again as to just what yourself, or your mighty little "army" of supposed "spartans" have ever done in that regard? Aren't "you'se" therefore, mostly naught but (in your words) "ZERO"? 😉 No disrespect to those precious few "spartans" that've actually done something/ANYthing in any branch of our armed forces meant at all here. Surely, as both a zealous "patriot" and "spartan"; you felt the need to serve yourself?....Or is your life all about serving just yourself and your own desires?

No matter. Keep all the "righteous" and "tough" talking coming, and just carry on, mighty "spartans". It's always good for a laugh. Cactusboy53: "This is Sparta!"....umm...."I'll let the courts do my talking for me." 🙂

PS: "You're just another USAPA thug much like the ones who beat a WWII vet who was shot during the battle of Okinawa." Sigh! Tell me you're not at least a bit ashamed of ever posting that...?

 

[snapthis]

Not loosing it at all. I'm fine on LOA93, this job is just beer money for me. How can you ASSURE anyone that I do not know who you are? You are discounting the fact that I may know this websites owners? Did you even consider that possibility when you made your asinine statement? You are right about one thing though, I could care less about who you are, you are irrelevant. There, I spelled it correctly for you, so now you learned two things from me today. IRRELEVANT.

Name the owner of the website.

 

[snapthis]

You are discounting the fact that I may know this websites owners?

Keep searching...

Hint: the initials are either KL or PD

 

[Metroyet]

Not loosing it at all. I'm fine on LOA93, this job is just beer money for me. How can you ASSURE anyone that I do not know who you are? You are discounting the fact that I may know this websites owners? Did you even consider that possibility when you made your asinine statement? You are right about one thing though, I could care less about who you are, you are irrelevant. There, I spelled it correctly for you, so now you learned two things from me today. IRRELEVANT.

Learn the difference between loose and lose and I'll be impressed. You haven't a clue who I am and you never will. You're a scab. That much I DO know about you.

That and you are indeed, "loosing" it. HA!

 

[oscarjazz]

Who respects him? He has done ZERO SLI's since 2007. He did some work on the AMR Eagle flow and if you say he did some work at DL ok, but that is the extent of it since 2007. That's 6 years to do two things? I stand by my statement. By the way did you win your arbitration with him?

Who respects him? The entire arbitration community the entire labor movement with the exception of the East pilots the entire labor relations community. Look, here is some great advice. Start your SLI arbitration with American off by blasting on Nicolau, I am sure it will win you tons of points.

We lost the arbitration with Nicolau. Too bad for us, maybe if we throw a hissy fit it will all get better. That strategy has worked so well for USAPA.

Sometimes I can't believe that you guys actually fly airplanes, you act like bratty little teenagers.

 

[EastUS1]

Who respects him? The entire arbitration community the entire labor movement with the exception of the East pilots the entire labor relations community.

Sometimes I can't believe that you guys actually fly airplanes, you act like bratty little teenagers.

Have you yet gotten around to personally polling "The entire arbitration community the entire labor movement .....the entire labor relations community."? 😉 You only omitted the standard (and immeasurably "mature) west fantasy of having "the rest of world" perfectly aligned with all your personal notions.

Do you people, if even for a moment, ever actually believe your own BS?

Seriously: Anyone at all capable of earnestly offering up such insanely grandiose assumptions as yours could only hail from deeply within the mental realm and personal perspective of "bratty little teenagers"....speaking of which: care to take a stab at spinning the whole "spartan"...umm..."army", the "dire wolves", "Larry Potta" and self-styled "knights" who've "fought with valor in many battles" BS? 🙂

Should you ever require any poster children for fully demonstrating the concept of "bratty little teenagers"...Well, try arguing against the following entries for first prize placement, although, in full fairness, we've a more recent entry from snapthis to consider as well = "You're just another USAPA thug much like the ones who beat a WWII vet who was shot during the battle of Okinawa."

 

[nycbusdriver]

That's 6 years to do two things?

He's in a competition with Kasher to see who can work slowest.

 

[snapthis]

Learn the difference between loose and lose and I'll be impressed. You haven't a clue who I am and you never will. You're a scab. That much I DO know about you.

That and you are indeed, "loosing" it. HA!

I caught it. "I know the owners" blah, blah. He's had hours to do the research. Just what I thought a thinly veiled threat.

"First Amendment protection of anonymous speech is vital to democracy. One of the most famous pieces of American political advocacy - The Federalist Papers - was published anonymously by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay under the pseudonym "Publius." As U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens explained, "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority." (McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm'n, 514 U.S. 334, 357 (1995).

"Given this historical backdrop, attorneys must carefully consider the First Amendment implications of forcing disclosure of the identity of the anonymous "speaker."
E Johnstone

Paul Stevens understands the concept of tyranny of the majority. For example, the Cactus 18 witch-hunt our pilots had to endure for speaking up.

Source:

http://cactus18.typepad.com/
July 30, 2010
David Braid's blog

On May 30, 2008 a RICO law suit was filed against me and 23 other America West pilots by our new union Us Airline Pilots Association. After being dismissed from federal court with prejudice without even going to trial. The case was so poor the judge would not even let them try again. USAPA than filed an appeal in the Fourth Circuit court of Appeals in Richmond.
Today 26 months later we finally have our answer. The Fourth Circuit in a unanimous decision upheld or affirmed the district court. This is a tremendous win for all of the Cactus 18 today. Hopefully this will put an end to the vicious and unfounded attack that the leadership of USAPA has aimed our way. Unfortunately I fear that this case may not be over.
USAPA is under pressure to deliver a contract and after two years of telling the pilots that we were criminals and had done something wrong. After spending upwards of $300,000.00 of pilot dues money they have nothing to show for it.
This is the response that the Communications Chairman put out after their loss.
Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond Affirms Dismissal

Today the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, issued its ruling on USAPA's appeal of the dismissal of its lawsuit brought in 2008. USAPA filed the suit, alleging violations of the RICO Statute, against certain pilots who were alleged to be engaged in an overt attempt to deny all US Airways pilots their right to collectively bargain by attempting to destroy our union and performing other harmful and destructive acts to disrupt the union’s ability to perform its representational responsibilities. The appeals court today affirmed the dismissal. Attorneys for the Association are reviewing the ruling presently for potential next steps.

Even after losing twice in two different courts in their own backyard these guys still can not admit they were wrong and let it go. The right thing to do would be to apologize and maybe even offer to pay our legal fees for this ordeal. But in typical fashion USAPlA threatens to continue the attack and division.
Since this case went to appeal USAPA has been threatening to file in State court of North Carolina if we did not accept some lame settlement deal and admit quilt. It is extremely hard to admit guilt to something that none of us did. Now the courts support that truth, we did not engage in any RICO activity.
The Cactus 18 will have little choice but to defend ourselves again. But unlike last time when we had to educate our pilots on the evil that was being done and explain that we truly were innocent. This time we have the full support of the entire west pilot group and we are beginning to gather support from the east line pilot also. If the USAPA leadership decides to continue on this ill-advised campaign we will go on the offensive and counter sue.
Currently our lawyers are investigating the possibilities of legal action to recover our costs. But if USAPA decides to make the fatal mistake of filing any further legal action we will be forced to not only collect damages but punitive damages also.
A malicious intent law suit would cost this union and the people responsible a load of money.
To bring this journey to an end I want to thank the other Cactus 18 member and the AWAPPA guys. We all stuck together through some extremely critical decisions at any time any of us could have caved in to the pressure and taken a dangerous deal. But we all stuck together and rode out the storm. I would also like to thank my fellow west pilots that supported us during the case. Your words of encouragement and financial support were critical in our success. Also I would like to thank everyone that took the time to read this blog. Hopefully it explained what was going on with this case as it is difficult to do in a short amount of time.
Thank you all.

 

[cactusboy53]

I think you take Delta's Oscarjazz off the list. I don't think he is in agreement.

I wonder if Judge Silver thinks George made a mistake?

Snap;

Here's EXACTLY what Judge Silver things about binding arbitration (& thus Arbitrator Nicolau):

[font="Times New Roman""] “Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/font]
[font="Times New Roman""] [/font]
[font="Times New Roman""]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/font]

[font="Times New Roman""]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/font]

 

[snapthis]

Snap;

Here's EXACTLY what Judge Silver things about binding arbitration (& thus Arbitrator Nicolau):

“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”

Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012

Yet USAPA presses on and ignores the warnings. You go girls, full speed ahead.

"Throughout the day on April 14, the Titanic received a number of wireless messages from other ships warning about icebergs along their path."

 

[luvthe9]

Yet USAPA presses on and ignores the warnings. You go girls, full speed ahead.

"Throughout the day on April 14, the Titanic received a number of wireless messages from other ships warning about icebergs along their path."

The new Cleardirect. SNAPTHIS..........

 

[snapthis]

The new Cleardirect. SNAPTHIS..........

עַיִן תַּחַת עַיִן, שֵׁן תַּחַת שֵׁן, יָד תַּחַת יָד, רֶגֶל תַּחַת רָגֶל, כְּוִיָּה תַּחַת כְּוִיָּה, פֶּצַע תַּחַת פָּצַע, חַבּוּרָה, תַּחַת חַבּוּרָה

Maybe Father Abraham can translate.

 

[Phoenix]

Snap;

Here's EXACTLY what Judge Silver things about binding arbitration (& thus Arbitrator Nicolau):

[font=Times New Roman"]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/font]

[font=Times New Roman"]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/font]

[font=Times New Roman"]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/font]

Evidence... even evidence proclaimed by a federal judge. Oh, yippee. That is a non sequitur argument. You should already know you have been warned not to waste your time on such irrelevant evidence. Ok. Fine. Use that evidence if you want to... If at trial you had the responsibility to prove the Nic is fair, then indeed this "evidence" would be relevant.

Do you not clearly understand the burden of proof for a PLAINTIFF in a DFR trial.

The 9th told you exactly what the PLAINTIFF must prove.

(“[T]he final product of the bargaining process
may constitute evidence of a breach of duty only if it can be
fairly characterized as so far outside a ‘wide range of reasonableness,’
that it is wholly ‘irrational’ or ‘arbitrary.’


Isn't is time for some integrity? 🙂

 

[nevergiveup]

עַיִן תַּחַת עַיִן, שֵׁן תַּחַת שֵׁן, יָד תַּחַת יָד, רֶגֶל תַּחַת רָגֶל, כְּוִיָּה תַּחַת כְּוִיָּה, פֶּצַע תַּחַת פָּצַע, חַבּוּרָה, תַּחַת חַבּוּרָה

Maybe Father Abraham can translate.

Eat more opossum?