August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Asked, and answered. Begin spinning in 3-2-1....

Spin the following sir, make my day.

"IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012."

Judge Silver

 

[Claxon]

No Clax, I call it like I see it. You've seen me take TJ to task. That was below the belt.

His dad had the history I reported.

Your dad got you the job, that is why you are upset with this. You have to live with it, not everyone else. Waffle eater.

 

[traderjake]

No Clax, I call it like I see it. You've seen me take TJ to task. That was below the belt.

Notice Claxon is too embarrassed to answer the question where do you work and what do you do.

 

[Pi brat]

His dad had the history I reported.

Your dad got you the job, that is why you are upset with this. You have to live with it, not everyone else. Waffle eater.

I missed it Clax, what did TJ's Dad do? Single highhandedly staple the Empire pilots? I know TJ and his last name is not Davis, Sharp or Howard. I flew with a lot of PI pilots that felt they did them a good deal, I didn't know that was one guy's doing.

I've been very up front about my Dad and his history. I've got several hundred that will defend him and his history. How about yours? You want to bring him into it?

 

[AWE Dog]

It wasn't a windfall.

Longevity is not seniority.

.

Without Longevity there is no Seniority.

 

[Claxon]

I missed it Clax, what did TJ's Dad do? Single highhandedly staple the Empire pilots? I know TJ and his last name is not Davis, Sharp or Howard. I flew with a lot of PI pilots that felt they did them a good deal, I didn't know that was one guy's doing.

I've been very up front about my Dad and his history. I've got several hundred that will defend him and his history. How about yours? You want to bring him into it?

Daddys boy club.

"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Enpire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986."

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have signed the Amendment t o Agreement
t h i s 12th day of February 1986.
WITNESS: FOR PIECMCNT AVIATION, INC.
G. F. Sharp\
Vice President
Flight Operations
FOR THE AIRLINE PILOTS I N THE
SERVICE OF PIECMONT AVIATION, INC.
Ak:irr) FL@iney , Pi o t s
International

 

[cleardirect]

Notice Claxon is too embarrassed to answer the question where do you work and what do you do.

Claxon is Mike Cleary.

Out on medical. That is why he is here all the time. He has said he does not work here but has incredible amount of inside information of people and documents not to be an insider.

Mike Cleary whacko.

 

[cleardirect]

Without Longevity there is no Seniority.

longevity does not equal seniority.

Otherwise a 17 year furloughed pilots could bid something other than what shift he wanted restocking shelves at the Wal Mart.

 

[Claxon]

Claxon is Mike Cleary.

Out on medical. That is why he is here all the time. He has said he does not work here but has incredible amount of inside information of people and documents not to be an insider.

Mike Cleary whacko.

Did Chip Munn tweet you that. You west pilots are real sharp. You busted me.

Why you guys could not get hired by a major airline is not a mystery.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Daddys boy club.

"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Enpire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986."

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have signed the Amendment t o Agreement
t h i s 12th day of February 1986.
WITNESS: FOR PIECMCNT AVIATION, INC.
G. F. Sharp\
Vice President
Flight Operations
FOR THE AIRLINE PILOTS I N THE
SERVICE OF PIECMONT AVIATION, INC.
Ak:irr) FL@iney , Pi o t s
International

Clax, you are not out of line.

What the PI pilots did as a group did to the Empire pilots was obsene. They should all be held accountable, but no more one than the other.

Empire should have been merged DOH with fences and restrictions. Based on what the Empire guys brought to the table those fences could have been 10-20 years (reference Republic and NWA). Ironic, even 20 year fences would be long gone now.

DOH rules, always. Its the fences and restrictions that take care of the details.

The greedy West Class could have easily gotten 7 or 8 year fences and DOH. There are a few hundred senior guys in PHX wondering why they cannot bid a widebody now. NIC or nothing equals Nothing.

Greeter

 

[traderjake]

Why you guys could not get hired by a major airline is not a mystery.

We know why you can't.

How your brother did is a mystery.

 

[Claxon]

Clax, you are not out of line.

What the PI pilots did as a group did to the Empire pilots was obsene. They should all be held accountable, but no more one than the other.

Empire should have been merged DOH with fences and restrictions. Based on what the Empire guys brought to the table those fences could have been 10-20 years (reference Republic and NWA). Ironic, even 20 year fences would be long gone now.

DOH rules, always. Its the fences and restrictions that take care of the details.

The greedy West Class could have easily gotten 7 or 8 year fences and DOH. There are a few hundred senior guys in PHX wondering why they cannot bid a widebody now. NIC or nothing equals Nothing.

Greeter

I envy you. You drew the line on alpa tyranny and abuse of power. History will be kind to you, not the west. If it were not for you, alpa abuse would have continued. The next generation of pilots owe a lot to your courageous stance. Thank you for what you accomplished.

Clax

 

[Black Swan]

MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING​

REGARDING​

CONTINGENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT​

Pursuant to this Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement (this “Memorandum&rdquo😉, US Airways, Inc. and any successor (collectively, “US Airways&rdquo😉, American Airlines, Inc. (“American&rdquo😉, Allied Pilots Association (“APA&rdquo😉, and US Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”, and with US Airways, American, and APA, the “Parties&rdquo😉, hereby agree as follows:
1. US Airways and APA agreed to a Conditional Labor And Plan Of Reorganization Agreement executed April 13, 2012 and as amended from time-to-time (the “CLA&rdquo😉. Upon the Memorandum Approval Date (as defined in Paragraph 18), this Memorandum shall supersede and replace the CLA. This Memorandum provides a process for reaching:

(a) a Merger Transition Agreement (the “MTA&rdquo😉 between APA and an entity (“New American Airlines&rdquo😉 formed in connection with a plan of reorganization (“POR&rdquo😉 for such of those AMR Corporation-related debtors required to effectuate a combination of American and US Airways (the “Merger&rdquo😉. The MTA shall consist of the collective bargaining agreement between American and APA approved on December 19, 2012 by the Bankruptcy Court in In Re AMR Corporation, et al., jointly administered Ch. 11 Case No. 11-15463 (SHL) (the “2012 CBA&rdquo😉, as amended pursuant to the provisions of this Memorandum;​

(B) a Joint CBA (the “JCBA&rdquo😉 to apply to a merged workforce composed of pilots employed by American and US Airways.​

Looks to me like the MOU provides a process for reaching a JCBA, but I'm no lawyer.​

I read this and Metroyets supposed answer to where the MOU is a JCBA. Metroyet quotes an AMR filing question and answer. The one he cited as AMR ganging up on USAPA.
It is NOT a quote from the MOU by any stretch. It carries the same intent of Siegle in DFR 2. A push by a party that has a financial interest in the mess getting cleared up. Siegle gave an extremely biased and incorrect testimony in Silvers court. He has no idea about RLA law.
What Metroyet quoted as fact was NOT from the MOU.
Where is it in the MOU Metroyet? You lied when you purported that post as being part of the MOU and fact. It was merely a speculation by an outside party.

 

[Phoenix]

Claxon is Mike Cleary.

...

No. He is Lee Seham. Firing Lee was just a ruse to allow him to secretly reemerge on the web boards. PM him to let him know you will out him unless he gives you a cut.

 

[traderjake]

Empire should have been merged DOH with fences and restrictions. Based on what the Empire guys brought to the table those fences could have been 10-20 years (reference Republic and NWA). Ironic, even 20 year fences would be long gone now.

DOH rules, always. Its the fences and restrictions that take care of the details.

Poor greeter doesn't understand that airlines merge to combine stuff, not keep things apart.

I'm sure the Empire guys would have been real happy making F28 pay for 10 years.