August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[usabusdriver]

Control panel, click,
Ignore setting, click

Hey look theres Claxon!

EastUS1, click

Ahhhhh.

Good start. You left out one other essential one though.

MUTATIS MUTANDIS

 

[EastUS1]

CaptChill: USAPA has kept a probationary pilot from going ahead of a 17 year, never furloughed pilot... and those greed-soaked types like you could never understand why we became the lowest paid for years because we stood up for those pilots. We would not sell out our fellow airmen/women.

Oh my, Is that the Star Spangled Banner I hear playing in the back ground?

Sigh!...How "cute", and so very respectful of the Nation's Anthem. Oh well, what else could be expected from any among the infantile, "It's All about MEEE!" crowd than that?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

[font="Arial""]AAviator is yet another (in a long line of West posers) jerk coming here just to stir the pot. Too many familiar phrases and the stench of some of our old flame-baiters that have come and gone here.[/font]

[font="Arial""]There is no logical reason for an American pilot, unless they have a direct tie to AWA, to come here and try and introduce the attitudes (from both East and West) into the mix with our upcoming APA merger.[/font]

[font="Arial""]There is a VERY good chance most of the APA/USAPA seniority issues will be solved without arbitration. Despite Prechilli’s special trips to the airport and ensuing fantasy conversations with West supporting AA guys, I can tell you without a doubt (at the levels of involvement where it counts) this is in fact the goal of our upcoming talks.[/font]

[font="Arial""]I strongly suggest simply ignoring AAviator. The few that pop on here and respond to him/her without reading "its" body of work are starting to make me cringe. They are being played. Don't waste your time or energy on this "clown." I won't be.[/font]

[font="Arial""]"Clown." Where have I heard that before? (other than in the 3[sup]rd[/sup] grade, but I digress…..)[/font]

[font="Arial""]Greeter[/font]

 

[snapthis]

Thats all the arbitrator of our list will use...

Get used to it.

BTW, you're welcome for the giant pay raise. 🙂

It will be the Nic as you pointed out.

They are in the denial stage. There have been studies done about instability in the airline industry and it's effects on workers. A part of the denial stage is the concept of shifting responsibility. You are seeing examples of it in this forum.

You are seeing stage 2, anger directed at your posts. It's all a part of the grieving process with this victim mentality as described below. Just laugh it off and not take it personally.

http://flightsafety.org/ap/ap_sept89.pdf

 

[Monkee]

Well, the East feels they lost the first arbitration so now they're gunning for best two out of three. If that doesn't work for them they will revert to the classic "paper scissors rock" contest on a yet to be named elementary school playground. Because, they are men of genius...

The east just likes to think they can move the goalposts back every time the opposition threatens their entitlement. So tiresome. The amount of twisting they have to do every day to try to convince themselves that they are entitled to whatever the hell they want. I'm sure if some of the posters here still had a conscience it would bother them. Evidently not

 

[767one]

Never said it did. It came courtesy of APA. What part did USAPA play? Didn't they run to the judge crying about not being included in negotiation? BTW, as a dues paying member at APA, a portion of my dues made this possible for you. That eats at you doesn't it? 😛

What has USAPA done for you? You a bus driver at a buck twenty five an hour?

Oh yea,
You're welcome!

The only trigger for a contract had to do with the merger. Neither union had all that much sway. Absent a merger neither side would have a contract nor would they have one for years or perhaps decades except for the one that would have been crammed down on the AAmerikkan pilots.

All the best,

Bob of the Belarus

 

[Piedmont1984]

[font=Arial"]AAviator is yet another (in a long line of West posers) jerk coming here just to stir the pot. Too many familiar phrases and the stench of some of our old flame-baiters that have come and gone here.[/font]

[font=Arial"]There is no logical reason for an American pilot, unless they have a direct tie to AWA, to come here and try and introduce the attitudes (from both East and West) into the mix with our upcoming APA merger.[/font]

[font=Arial"]There is a VERY good chance most of the APA/USAPA seniority issues will be solved without arbitration. Despite Prechilli’s special trips to the airport and ensuing fantasy conversations with West supporting AA guys, I can tell you without a doubt (at the levels of involvement where it counts) this is in fact the goal of our upcoming talks.[/font]

[font=Arial"]I strongly suggest simply ignoring AAviator. The few that pop on here and respond to him/her without reading "its" body of work are starting to make me cringe. They are being played. Don't waste your time or energy on this "clown." I won't be.[/font]

[font=Arial"]"Clown." Where have I heard that before? (other than in the 3[sup]rd[/sup] grade, but I digress…..)[/font]

[font=Arial"]Greeter[/font]

I don't care who AAviator is. This forum is populated by anonymous posters (except for the few who have disclosed their identity). Don't get me started on USAPA's failure to establish a website where no one hides behind avatars. If a post piques my interest then I respond to it. The poster could be the seventh iteration of Joey Butafucco for all I care. USAPA had the chance to have a forum exclusively for our pilots where these issues could be hashed out with moderator oversight and without anonymity. This is the consequence of not doing so. In that regard, ALPA did better and hopefully APA will also.

I'm encouraged to hear that mutual negotiations will be given serious effort.

 

[AAviator]

So this is what the inside of an opium den looks like.

Freaky

 

[AAviator]

The only trigger for a contract had to do with the merger. Neither union had all that much sway. Absent a merger neither side would have a contract nor would they have one for years or perhaps decades except for the one that would have been crammed down on the AAmerikkan pilots.

All the best,

Bob of the Belarus

Bob, APA turned down LBFO 1 as its known to approve LBFO 2 a short while later. The LCC angle added 87 million?/yr to the pot. We had a very good deal absent the LCC merger. In fact, in the history of airline bankruptcies, APA and the AA pilots hit this one out of the park. Pension was frozen and converted to a 14% DC equivalent.

I've read your posts in the past. Your position surprises me. It is totally inaccurate. LBFO= Last best Final Offer

 

[AAviator]

[font=Arial"]AAviator is yet another (in a long line of West posers) jerk coming here just to stir the pot. Too many familiar phrases and the stench of some of our old flame-baiters that have come and gone here.[/font]

[font=Arial"]There is no logical reason for an American pilot, unless they have a direct tie to AWA, to come here and try and introduce the attitudes (from both East and West) into the mix with our upcoming APA merger.[/font]

[font=Arial"]There is a VERY good chance most of the APA/USAPA seniority issues will be solved without arbitration. Despite Prechilli’s special trips to the airport and ensuing fantasy conversations with West supporting AA guys, I can tell you without a doubt (at the levels of involvement where it counts) this is in fact the goal of our upcoming talks.[/font]

[font=Arial"]I strongly suggest simply ignoring AAviator. The few that pop on here and respond to him/her without reading "its" body of work are starting to make me cringe. They are being played. Don't waste your time or energy on this "clown." I won't be.[/font]

[font=Arial"]"Clown." Where have I heard that before? (other than in the 3[sup]rd[/sup] grade, but I digress…..)[/font]

[font=Arial"]Greeter[/font]

Would you prefer ass hat?

 

[Ames]

I guess that's what happens when you don't bring much to the merger.

AWA was growing at 15%, three consecutive quarters of profit. Useless air two weeks from liquidation..... but I digress.

 

[Ames]

Sure, it's valid. All we need is a ratification vote with the Nic imbeded in Section 22 and part of an LCC only JCBA. But we better hurry.

You had your ratification vote when you voted in the MOU. Once we are under one contract (no subsequent votes) game over. Hello Nic.

 

[Ames]

If memory serves, all of ours were recalled when the fan became obstructed with manure back in '07.

....but not in '05 when AWA actually acquired US.

 

[Phoenix]

AWA was growing at 15%, three consecutive quarters of profit. Useless air two weeks from liquidation..... but I digress.

Sure, AWA was the meteoric airline... its obvious. Parker is the heir apparent to the worlds largest airline and he negotiated his way to that position from the small little dusty airline that couldn't be held back. Parker is brilliant and all pilots on the East and all AA pilots can't deny Parker his due.

Problem for you is that you guys are the smallest group in a democracy and don't share any of Parker's negotiating skill or leverage.

Clown (for old times sake )

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I don't care who AAviator is. This forum is populated by anonymous posters (except for the few who have disclosed their identity). Don't get me started on USAPA's failure to establish a website where no one hides behind avatars. If a post piques my interest then I respond to it. The poster could be the seventh iteration of Joey Butafucco for all I care. USAPA had the chance to have a forum exclusively for our pilots where these issues could be hashed out with moderator oversight and without anonymity. This is the consequence of not doing so. In that regard, ALPA did better and hopefully APA will also.

I'm encouraged to hear that mutual negotiations will be given serious effort.

Start your own forum, its 2013. You don't need your union to do it for you. No "hashing out" ever takes place here, that is why I left for over 4 years to actually do something.

How about I nominate you for CLT rep (no excuses please, others have already stepped up) and you can get elected and establish a union web board that will solve all our problems

Relax, all this forum provides is entertainment and stress relief. It is NOT important, and has no real meaning outside the face of your laptop.

Greeter (and again, just having fun, I know you to be a great guy!)