"Cost neutral!"

[nostradamus]

nostradamus,
To answer your question a U east SCAB pilot is one who crossed the IAM's picket line in October 1992. They were paid by the company to cross. It is a long story and I hope each that took his thirty pieces of silver is choking on them now. I know I am enjoying watching it happen to them.

I have never scabbed or took any one else's bread. I have never crossed a picket line and I respect the rights of employees to make a fair and honest living. I believe they should also be treated fairly in the work place. U east SCAB pilots excluded.

When the IAM struck, shortly afterwards most flights were canceled untill the IAM settled.

 

[pitguy]

That is correct. The pilots crossed the line and gave strikers the finger to show their good will. Not all of the U east pilots are bad although most are greedy turds getting just what they deserve.

 

[nostradamus]

That is correct. The pilots crossed the line and gave strikers the finger to show their good will. Not all of the U east pilots are bad although most are greedy turds getting just what they deserve.

"Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact."
- George Eliot (1819-1880)

 

[pitguy]

“Bless the victims of the SCAB pilots. Sit back and seek enjoyment in the SCAB pilot's pain.â€￾

~pitguy 2006

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Bottom line is i don't care what i fly as long as i get paid.

Then, sadly, it is very much your fault that you are making 350/wk and apparently it really isn't all about you or you would do something else that pays well and provides you with a much more positive outlook at the end of each day. Whatever the other position is, it may not be something you love, but the choice is yours. To retaliate with childish maneuvers rather than using your intellect to help yourself regain dignity is an odd choice.

If everyone believed the way you do, and continued to leave the job because of the low pay rate, and no one could be hired at those wages, that job would become increasingly harder to fill and the rate would have to go up. They are only paying the very least that they can because they can. If you and others like you continue to stay and choose to be rewarded with convenience store clerk wages, then it will never change.

You are the only one in charge of your destiny.

 

[gabby]

Then, sadly, it is very much your fault that you are making 350/wk and apparently it really isn't all about you or you would do something else that pays well and provides you with a much more positive outlook at the end of each day. Whatever the other position is, it may not be something you love, but the choice is yours. To retaliate with childish maneuvers rather than using your intellect to help yourself regain dignity is an odd choice.

If everyone believed the way you do, and continued to leave the job because of the low pay rate, and no one could be hired at those wages, that job would become increasingly harder to fill and the rate would have to go up. They are only paying the very least that they can because they can. If you and others like you continue to stay and choose to be rewarded with convenience store clerk wages, then it will never change.

You are the only one in charge of your destiny.

I disagree with your theory. The wages were set in place because someone thought they were acceptable and signed a contract. If anyone really cared they never would have signed it. Why did ALPA national say it was OK to pay these wages and have a contract like this? Becuase as long as it wasn't them making $350/week they were OK with it.
Quitting does nothing, they pay will stay the same.
The only way to get the company to notice is to fly slow, taxi slow, leave whenever i want to leave, do the absolute minimum amount of work. If they want a $350/week pilot then they have one. Think i will call in sick the night before my flight? No way, Maybe an hour if they are lucky. Doug Parker knows the quality he gets with Mesa. We all know. And that is what you get for treating people the way they do.

 

[nostradamus]

Then, sadly, it is very much your fault that you are making 350/wk and apparently it really isn't all about you or you would do something else that pays well and provides you with a much more positive outlook at the end of each day. Whatever the other position is, it may not be something you love, but the choice is yours. To retaliate with childish maneuvers rather than using your intellect to help yourself regain dignity is an odd choice.

If everyone believed the way you do, and continued to leave the job because of the low pay rate, and no one could be hired at those wages, that job would become increasingly harder to fill and the rate would have to go up. They are only paying the very least that they can because they can. If you and others like you continue to stay and choose to be rewarded with convenience store clerk wages, then it will never change.

You are the only one in charge of your destiny.

LARK quote July 2006

"Perhaps if someone would quit giving daily moral judgement lectures on hate, decorum, integrity, character, respect and a whole host of other things that have no place here others may begin believing that someone's posts were something other than me-me-me propaganda and purely self-serving.

In other words: Everyone here has a right to their own opinion given their own unique experiences. Deal with it."
Lark July 2006

Do you consider your posts hypocritical at times?

 

[john john]

I disagree with your theory. The wages were set in place because someone thought they were acceptable and signed a contract. If anyone really cared they never would have signed it. Why did ALPA national say it was OK to pay these wages and have a contract like this? Becuase as long as it wasn't them making $350/week they were OK with it.
Quitting does nothing, they pay will stay the same.
The only way to get the company to notice is to fly slow, taxi slow, leave whenever i want to leave, do the absolute minimum amount of work. If they want a $350/week pilot then they have one. Think i will call in sick the night before my flight? No way, Maybe an hour if they are lucky. Doug Parker knows the quality he gets with Mesa. We all know. And that is what you get for treating people the way they do.

I have been saying this about express for along time

 

[autofixer]

Not to mention "extra efficient" ways that we 20+ year pilots can fly. We know ATC, what they want and when, we know the airports, which ones have long taxis and which ones have short taxis. We know all of the little things that can make a flight operate much more efficient. That being said, if the company does not wish to compensate me for my level of expertise, I won't do it. The trip I just finished was sooo much easier and stress free by flying like an UAV. No thinking, just do it and do it now, like an UAV. By the way, I hear our fuel burn is up over 22% this month.

 

[luvn737s]

I disagree with your theory. The wages were set in place because someone thought they were acceptable and signed a contract. If anyone really cared they never would have signed it.

Yep, the Law of Conspiracy always trumps that silly old Law of Supply and Demand. It only makes sense to fight back with emotion rather than logic.

Good luck with that. Let me know how that turns out for ya'.

 

[nostradamus]

Yep, the Law of Conspiracy always trumps that silly old Law of Supply and Demand. It only makes sense to fight back with emotion rather than logic.

Good luck with that. Let me know how that turns out for ya'.

It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance and hypocrisy of people like you. When you came into this business you started out with a low wage riding the coattails of people that fought for quite a lot to make this a profession easy to enter for you. They did not tell you to sit back and do not take flying jobs, then sit back and hope this solved the problem. They fought for the people that had no say. Now you turn around and complain about and berate younger people trying to make it.

What have you done lately to help the next generation, nothing. You were too busy doing everything to save your sorry behind. You are enjoying the soap opera that you warned other not to.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

I disagree with your theory. The wages were set in place because someone thought they were acceptable and signed a contract. If anyone really cared they never would have signed it. Why did ALPA national say it was OK to pay these wages and have a contract like this? Becuase as long as it wasn't them making $350/week they were OK with it.
Quitting does nothing, they pay will stay the same.
The only way to get the company to notice is to fly slow, taxi slow, leave whenever i want to leave, do the absolute minimum amount of work. If they want a $350/week pilot then they have one. Think i will call in sick the night before my flight? No way, Maybe an hour if they are lucky. Doug Parker knows the quality he gets with Mesa. We all know. And that is what you get for treating people the way they do.

If ALPA changed the contract then it had to be ratified by the pilot group, correct? If the pilot group said it was OK the what is the company supposed to do, say we don't agree and double the salary? Don't think that is very rational thinking. I am a maintenance guy, as such "our" pay ins't the greatest either. But, I do my job the best I can, with what I have to work with everyday. That is called work ethic. Do I complain about the conditions, pay, benefits and lack of support from management, you bet you A$$ I do. However, I do not break the aircraft to show my displeasure. I will agree that if you fly or fix by the book, you don't have to break anything things naturally slow down. You don't have to violate any of the "RULES" and risk your livelyhood, just do your job and nothing more to the best of your ability and make the "RULES" work for you. Everyday is Monday, how can it get worse than that?

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Do you consider your posts hypocritical at times?

No. But thanks for playing. 😀

 

[autofixer]

If ALPA changed the contract then it had to be ratified by the pilot group, correct? If the pilot group said it was OK the what is the company supposed to do, say we don't agree and double the salary? Don't think that is very rational thinking. I am a maintenance guy, as such "our" pay ins't the greatest either. But, I do my job the best I can, with what I have to work with everyday. That is called work ethic. Do I complain about the conditions, pay, benefits and lack of support from management, you bet you A$$ I do. However, I do not break the aircraft to show my displeasure. I will agree that if you fly or fix by the book, you don't have to break anything things naturally slow down. You don't have to violate any of the "RULES" and risk your livelyhood, just do your job and nothing more to the best of your ability and make the "RULES" work for you. Everyday is Monday, how can it get worse than that?

IT IS NOT A SLOWDOWN! They only way to get the attention of these greedy bastages, is to not care and drive up costs. We can't strike, we can't slow down, we can't do anything or a judge will wack us (Just ask the Northwest Flight Attendant). We are slaves to the man! We are not doing anything wrong or immoral, we are just doing our jobs as trained and nothing extra. It is that extra that keeps the operational side of this pig flying. Like I said before, it is reported our fuel costs are up 22% this month...we are only flying like the company wants us to. "Fly like we train and train like we fly." By the way, does everyone know Doug was the highest paid CEO in the airline industry last year?

 

[luvn737s]

It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance and hypocrisy of people like you. When you came into this business you started out with a low wage riding the coattails of people that fought for quite a lot to make this a profession easy to enter for you. They did not tell you to sit back and do not take flying jobs, then sit back and hope this solved the problem. They fought for the people that had no say. Now you turn around and complain about and berate younger people trying to make it.

Nope, wrong again. When I started there was NO overlap between the lousy entry-level jobs and the coveted mainline ones. I had 12 interviews before I finally landed a job with a major carrier, not because my qualifications were lacking, but because it was that competitive. And it rightly should have been. Now a 500 hour pilot can apply to fly a jet and then complains that the pay is so low while ignoring the caustic effects his career choice has on the rest of the profession.

I don't advocate falling on the sword. I advocate finding out what the heck the sword is used for and having the courage to use it. And sometimes that means leaving the profession.