Death Watch for ALPA

[A320 Driver]

The whole system of governance will change with an in-house union. Members will no longer be effectively voiceless once they elect their local LEC reps (as is the case now with ALPA.) The entire structure of ALPA is set up to keep those in charge in their offices. This is easily remedied with a different constitution, by-laws and policies. And if the same ne'er-do-wells end up in power again, it's because the membership (like you, b737fo, and me) elected them.

And why not: "b737fo" for USAPA president? Let's hear your platform.

It needs to be structured using Seniority Based Representation. Anything else is just more of the same. It does not need roll call votes because each rep represents the same number of pilots in his block.

This is the ONLY way the reps will carry the message of the pilots they represent. Every pilot deserves EQUAL representation.

A320 Driver B)

 

[Junebug172]

It needs to be structured using Seniority Based Representation. Anything else is just more of the same. It does not need roll call votes because each rep represents the same number of pilots in his block.

This is the ONLY way the reps will carry the message of the pilots they represent. Every pilot deserves EQUAL representation.

A320 Driver B)

Ya, good luck with that.

We tried to bring it up in the West.

Went over like a lead turd.

 

[nycbusdriver]

It needs to be structured using Seniority Based Representation. Anything else is just more of the same. It does not need roll call votes because each rep represents the same number of pilots in his block.

This is the ONLY way the reps will carry the message of the pilots they represent. Every pilot deserves EQUAL representation.

A320 Driver B)

I believe the "proto"-constitution for USAPA does exactly that. It is seniority based with each rep elected from a block of about 300 pilots. Since each rep will represent the same approximate number of pilots, senatorial-type voting (which ALPA has) would be superfluous. This will be equal representation.

Ya, good luck with that.

We tried to bring it up in the West.

Went over like a lead turd.

Did you try this before your ALPA days? Must be, because as an ALPA represented carrier, there is no way that the ALPA constitution and by-laws would have permitted this.

Or did you try to get ALPA to change to your way of thinking? Then I agree with you: "good luck with that."

 

[Junebug172]

I believe the "proto"-constitution for USAPA does exactly that. It is seniority based with each rep elected from a block of about 300 pilots. Since each rep will represent the same approximate number of pilots, senatorial-type voting (which ALPA has) would be superfluous. This will be equal representation.
Did you try this before your ALPA days? Must be, because as an ALPA represented carrier, there is no way that the ALPA constitution and by-laws would have permitted this.

Or did you try to get ALPA to change to your way of thinking? Then I agree with you: "good luck with that."

FedEx has a SBSRS in place right now and they're ALPA.

I am ready for NWA to get out and stop Behncke from spinning in his grave and would cast my vote accordingly. There are many like Junebug or 767Jetz that don't hear the whistle blowing on the train that is coming down the tracks, or their own personal agenda deafens them, but failed or political national polices are about to begin the singing of the fat lady on the fate of ALPA.

We don't hear a whistle because there isn't one. You east guys have plenty of hot air but lack any ability to organize and follow through.

And as soon as your pilots see the invoice for the startup costs, you'll see one of the biggest collective dumps ever.

And just what personal agenda do you think I have.

 

[Phoenix]

And just what personal agenda do you think I have.

Your Avitar says it all. So does mine.

 

[USCREW]

Your Avitar says it all. So does mine.

I love your avatar

 

[Phoenix]

I love your avatar

🙂 The scowl and scolding of the ALPA president might have been just what we needed.😀

 

[EastUS]

And as soon as your pilots see the invoice for the startup costs, you'll see one of the biggest collective dumps ever.

And just what personal agenda do you think I have.

1) Yup...Alpo's fully worth almost two percent of our pay. Don't sweat the startup costs.

2)"And just what personal agenda do you think I have."?????????? Are you serious princess? = "Junebug172 Jul 12: "I'll see the left seat before you see pay parity, that's for sure!!!"

PS: I'm little shocked that "Seniority based representation"..."Went over like a lead turd" out there. There seems no enthusiasm for seniority based ANYTHING out west...which, more than anything else, brings us to our current situation.

 

[nostradamus]

FedEx has a SBSRS in place right now and they're ALPA.
We don't hear a whistle because there isn't one. You east guys have plenty of hot air but lack any ability to organize and follow through.

And as soon as your pilots see the invoice for the startup costs, you'll see one of the biggest collective dumps ever.

And just what personal agenda do you think I have.

Your are our poster child for reasons to decertify ALPA. Our best defense is your attempt at offense. Thank you.

 

[Cactus737]

These decert drives always gain some momentum based solely on disgust with ALPA, however, are rarely successful because a viable alternative is never offered. AWA had a pretty successful drive not that long ago, and it failed primarily because AWA pilots weren't convinced that the in-house (AWAPA) was going to function any better than ALPA does.

The comparisons to AA and WN are always interesting, because they are independents for the largest and highest paid airlines and therefore have sizeable budgets. Guess who they pay millions to every year for representational support? Plus, WN is mostly a company union (10 year contract?!?!?) and the only reason the sky-nazis are doing OK is because they took their lumps early. BTW - the sky nazis don't believe in date-of-hire either.

This decert drive will definitely fail the "viable alternative" test. First, the decert will NOT undo the Nicolau Award. Second, the in-house will NEVER get off the ground with 1800 AWA pilots fighting hard to undermine it. Even if it does get off the ground, no AWA pilot will ever pay dues. Third, talk is cheap; there's a big difference between saying that you want ALPA gone and actually turning in an election card. Sort of like how you don't ever meet anybody who actually voted for LOA 93.

Maybe we should place wagers on the final number of cards. My guess is 200, and that's a generous guess.

 

[nostradamus]

Another airline that apparently considers ALPA impotent.

AirTran
I have never been treated as well on the Jump seat, than I have at AirTrain. They will soon be with joined with Midwest Express that will become a former ALPA airline.

 

[Cactus737]

Another airline that apparently considers ALPA impotent.

AirTran
I have never been treated as well on the Jump seat, than I have at AirTrain. They will soon be with joined with Midwest Express that will become a former ALPA airline.

That's hilarious. Guess who the NPA paid to negotiate their contract for them?

They're only non-ALPA because the airline was started by and is populated with a bunch of Eastern scabs.

 

[nostradamus]

That's hilarious. Guess who the NPA paid to negotiate their contract for them?

They're only non-ALPA because the airline was started by and is populated with a bunch of Eastern scabs.

Look in the mirror sir. You have Wien Air scabs, Ansett scabs
drunks and drug runners. You can not in any way hold your head up high. You are a hypocrite downing an airline that has scabs.

 

[Cactus737]

Look in the mirror sir. You have Wien Air scabs, Ansett scabs
drunks and drug runners. You can not in any way hold your head up high. You are a hypocrite downing an airline that has scabs.

The Wien guys are all gone, and with the others you list total somewhere around 10. I wonder how many "interesting" names I might encounter on the East list.

Anyhow, I wasn't downing an airline. I was merely commenting on why AirTran doesn't have ALPA on property.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I wonder how many "interesting" names I might encounter on the East list.

None, actually. The east list is scab-free.