Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

Fellow pilots,

The APA Board of Directors reconvened today at 9 a.m. at union headquarters as part of the ongoing four-party negotiations between American Airlines and US Airways management, APA and the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) on behalf of US Airways’ pilots.
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We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute.

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In unity,

Keith Wilson
APA President

SHHHHHHH. Don't wake the Baby.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

APA

Correct. usapa just inherited one.

usapa will get a chance to arbitrate the Nicolau and the american list. Maybe usapa learned something from the last time.

It is funny how you read things into a statement, no operational integration, no list , USAPA is free to negotiate any list, EAST, AND WEST, drag it out were sure, the AMR pilots won't care! COURT BATTLES A PLENTY, ABSENT AN MOU GIVING UP SCOPE AND COC, DUI will have a hard time putting HUMPTY DUMPTY together! Empty point, HORTON and AMR board in control parting off USAIRWAYS EAST and WEST!

 

[Claxon]

Correct. usapa just inherited one.

usapa will get a chance to arbitrate the Nicolau and the american list. Maybe usapa learned something from the last time.

There was never a combined operation. http://www.unbiasedf...eoperations.pdf

As far as the McCaskill-Bond Amendment, http://afaonevoice.org/images,
/McCaskill%20Amendment%20explanation%20FINAL%20for%20WEB.pdf,
Just pretend you are Air Tran (Value Jet) in a Southwest Merger.

Also, most important for you to remember, you ended up at america west airlines because no other major airline would hire you for various reasons. Best of luck to you.

 

[Metroyet]

APA It is funny how you read things into a statement, no operational integration, no list , USAPA is free to negotiate any list, EAST, AND WEST, drag it out were sure, the AMR pilots won't care! COURT BATTLES A PLENTY, ABSENT AN MOU GIVING UP SCOPE AND COC, DUI will have a hard time putting HUMPTY DUMPTY together! Empty point, HORTON and AMR board in control parting off USAIRWAYS EAST and WEST!

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

If an accord is not reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” Keith Wilson, president of the Allied Pilots Association, said in a message on the union’s website. OH WELL BACK TO THE BCS!

 

[Claxon]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

Yes, but of course. This may help you regarding your future expectations;

"Also, most important for you to remember, you ended up at america west airlines because no other major airline would hire you for various reasons."

Author unknown, but likely most other real airline pilots

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

ENJOY, now kick the nest again, now see there your going to get stung!

 

[Metroyet]

ENJOY, now kick the nest again, now see there your going to get stung!

Let me fix your 9 year old Grammer for you....

ENJOY. (period, not comma, the subject is understood) "Now(,comma) kick the nest again( period. end of subject and verb). , n(Capitol N...new sentence) Now see there (question mark...it's an interogative) your going to get stung!" A 3rd grade mis-use of "there, their, they're" as in you, your, you're like an adult man child with the verbal skills of a tadpole. I'll ignore the incoherent reference to being "stung" as it's completely useless in the context you so Illiteratally framed it. Bonus round, Lose and Loose are two very different things. Perhaps your skoolin' HillBilly Philly style shoud be somewhat of a concern to you? Nevermind. It explains everything.

Amazing that only 14 words could covey such illiteracy. Your substance dependant "momma" should be proud.

 

[nevergiveup]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

and APA also inherits the right to use something other than the NIC!(see the ninth ruling)

 

[usa1]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/the-pilots-union-at-american-airlines-stressed-the-importance-of-reaching-a-transitional-agreement-regarding-a-possible-merger.html/

 

[FL430]

Agreed. APA has already informed USAPA that the only agreement begins with using the Nic. Barring that, they won't negotiate anything. Then it's on to Arbitration where the COMPANY provided certified list is the Nic award. That's been expressed to USAPA as well. All roads lead to a new nic inclusive contract. It's not in Dougies financial interest anymore to play stupid. Therefore the brisk pace. You may perhaps recall he came to an agreement with 55,000 employees of ANOTHER airline inside of 3 weeks.

He knows what to do when he needs something to get done. LOA93 has saved him over a billion excess dollars. That's enough....unless the merger fails, then it's LOA93 till the end of time.

Does USAPA have something to fear of Arbitration? You seem to want to avoid it like the plauge. Why? Not much faith in your "Constitution and Bylaws?"

Why did Freedom Scab Crimi fail his constituents and run home early like a little crying girl? Was there something more important going on than the AMR merger negotiations for a Union Rep to busy himself with? Probably not....Not at all actually. What was so upsetting?

Why do you get yourself all worked up over this stuff?

 

[usa1]

Upon exit from restructuring, an application for single-employer status with the National Mediation Board must be made, which would take approximately six months. Once single-employer status is declared, we would go through a process to determine the bargaining agent for the pilots. After that we would begin negotiating a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), which would focus primarily on reconciling and integrating the US Airways pilots into the American Airlines operation.

Seniority aside for a moment .... does this indicate the new AMR will be the single-employer (surviving entity)? Can only hope so!

 

[FL430]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

Were you former TWA???? LMFAO

 

[Beancounter]

A guess would be that APA is pushing for an agreement to go to arbitration after the merger. USAPA is probably threatening to de-rail the merger if they don't get their DOH upfront. I guess you just can't fix stupid. I've said in the past that the east group as a whole could $*%& up a winning lottey ticket if given the chance. I might be proven right AGAIN and no I'm not talking about our winning lottery ticket (the NIC), I'm talking about you guys having a job.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

A guess would be that APA is pushing for ...

Are you suggesting that APA has revealed bargaining positions that are being fought in Dallas, the NDA be damned? No, APA trying to shape the bargaining!!