Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

and APA also inherits the right to use something other than the NIC!(see the ninth ruling)

WHY would the APA use something other than the Nicolau? Does the APA have a LUP or want to spend time and money negotiating something other than an arbitrated seniority list?

Do you also think that the APA will accept DOH? Better read Kieth Wilson's letter again.

We all understand that seniority is extremely important to our careers. Of course, your seniority number is irrevocably tied to the airline you work for, so it’s likewise critical for your employer to be able to compete and thrive.

The airline you worked for. That seniority number does not go with the new airline.

Able to compete and thrive. the old US Airways was done. Not able to compete or thrive.

We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute.

Arbitrated integration not negotiated like you east guys think. Ratio methodology not DOH like you guys wish. Ending the dispute without negative impact. No three way. No DOH. No law suit. No injunction. A two way using the Nicolau and the american list.

Get used to it boys. usapa is done and the Nicolau will be the list. You just wasted 5 years for nothing.

 

[cleardirect]

Are you suggesting that APA has revealed bargaining positions that are being fought in Dallas, the NDA be damned? No, APA trying to shape the bargaining!!

Let's see if the APA is smarter than usapa.

Has there been a quick retraction?

No shaping needed. The APA knew going into the merger what the US Airways seniority was going to be, Nicolau. The NDA does not cover that. This message is to calm the fear of AA pilots that DOH or a three way would be used to place AA pilots far down the list.

 

[Phoenix]

No shaping needed. ...

This message is to calm the fear of AA pilots...

You can only be half right.

 

[Claxon]

APA knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are going to inherit every single asset and LIABILITY that the "former bargaining agent" leaves them. It's over. They aren't touching it. Why? Because they're an "actual" labor union that has "actual" labor union goals and objectives. They also have "actual" concern to preserve a going entity. USAPA has none of these. USAPA is a shell used as a facade to facilitate a zero sum game. A game that has no winners....except the leadership of course.

I get such a kick out of coming on here and speaking the truth. It's like kicking a hornets nest of retardation. So much fun. 1/9/13....the REAL end of the World for USAPA.

We heard your crap when Wake ruled, and then was ruined. Addington, then the 9th, then Silver. You have a ZERO percentage of predictive relevance. NONE. Just another yappy little dog that need to be curbed.

 

[cactusboy53]

Our buddy luvr said:

No he is right, APA will not be using the NIC it will be DOH with the usual C&R and at least a five yr fence.

Keith Wilson said:
"......We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute."

Another Luvr Lie? Looks like it. DOH? Probably not. Starting with DOH? I don't think I read that specifically. The NIC? Who knows? I do think your little DOH pipe dream is coming to an end (IMO).

It's just not been your decade, has it son?
CB

 

[luvthe9]

We heard your crap when Wake ruled, and then was ruined. Addington, then the 9th, then Silver. You have a ZERO percentage of predictive relevance. NONE. Just another yappy little dog that need to be curbed.

Again, they are very desparate and grasping at straws which is all you can do when your along for the ride with nothing.

 

[luvthe9]

The NIC? Who knows? CB

See, even Dave knows there will be no NIC, finally it has sunk in. You also know the list might take several years which would mean separate ops. So much growth in that time on the east, too bad.......... "After that we would begin negotiating a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), which would focus primarily on reconciling and integrating the US Airways pilots into the American Airlines operation. This JCBA must be completed within 24 months of a plan of reorganization being approved."........

 

[Phoenix]

So the guys in bankruptcy aren't getting what they want at the negotiating table, so they run to the press in an effort to shape events at the table....

How come the press hasn't published the latest update from AOL?

 

[luvthe9]

[background=transparent]Dallas Morning Star update


> Update at 10:30 p.m.:American is participating in discussions with US
> Airways, the APA and USAPA to evaluate "the impact of pilot labor costs,
> integration and seniority on a potential merger," said American spokesman
> Mike Trevino. Discussions continue, he said.
>
> Last week, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane approved American and its
> parent AMR Corp.'s request for a six-week extension to file their
> reorganization plan. The airline now has until March 11 to file its
> reorganization plan and until May 10 to seek acceptance from creditors.
> > [/background]

 

[nycbusdriver]

Our buddy luvr said:


Keith Wilson said:
"......We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute."

Another Luvr Lie? Looks like it. DOH? Probably not. Starting with DOH? I don't think I read that specifically. The NIC? Who knows? I do think your little DOH pipe dream is coming to an end (IMO).

It's just not been your decade, has it son?
CB

I've endured DOH mergers, been through slotted mergers, and seen worse up close. I doubt anyone in the east really thinks a DOH list with C&R will be the result of a McCaskill-Bond arbitration. IMHO, it will be slotted in some form.

My hope (our hope?) is that the arbitrators actually take the time to understand ALL the factors involved, and offer at least some semblance of balance in the outcome.

 

[cleardirect]

I've endured DOH mergers, been through slotted mergers, and seen worse up close. I doubt anyone in the east really thinks a DOH list with C&R will be the result of a McCaskill-Bond arbitration. IMHO, it will be slotted in some form.

My hope (our hope?) is that the arbitrators actually take the time to understand ALL the factors involved, and offer at least some semblance of balance in the outcome.

Nicolau did that. Just because you don't like the result does not mean he did not take the time to consider all of the factors.

Nicolau did balance the outcome. Ask Roland Wilder what he balanced.

 

[traderjake]

My hope (our hope?) is that the arbitrators actually take the time to understand ALL the factors involved, and offer at least some semblance of balance in the outcome.

My hope is that someday you'll understand all the factors involved and realize it was a balanced outcome.

 

[EastUS1]

nycbusdriver:My hope (our hope?) is that the arbitrators actually take the time to understand ALL the factors involved, and offer at least some semblance of balance in the outcome.

Nicolau did that.

Nicolau did balance the outcome.

Yes, yes indeed clear...and the earth is still flat!, all evidence to the contrary be damned! I can't help but get a chuckle from cultists. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

You can only be half right.

Well...half right would mark a substantial improvement....

 

[cactusboy53]

See, even Dave knows there will be no NIC, finally it has sunk in. You also know the list might take several years which would mean separate ops. So much growth in that time on the east, too bad.......... "After that we would begin negotiating a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), which would focus primarily on reconciling and integrating the US Airways pilots into the American Airlines operation. This JCBA must be completed within 24 months of a plan of reorganization being approved."........

You see Luvr, there you go again either lying or putting words in other people's mouth. To be honest, I expect nothing more from you.

I know that the Nicolau is the ONLY LEGAL, FINAL and BINDING seniority list. I know that DOH, DOH-lite, DOH-uber-lite or any other version immediately puts all other parties on "dangerous ground" and in "peril".

I really don't want to predict what is going to happen, but.....legally, morally, ethically and logically there is only one way to start off this party, and that is the Nicolau. So simple that everyone else gets it. You have won delay, and it has cost us all dearly. USAPA = the Pariah of the Commercial Aviation Industry.