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Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Scott Kirby, May 17, 2012 quote;


“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.

In this case, there’ll be a joint contract in advance, and the seniority integration will happen.

I’m encouraged that USAPA and APA, the two respective unions, are working well together and working jointly with the company. So I am optimistic that this ironically solves the largest hangover from the US Airways – America West transaction.”

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/kirby-we-expect-an-amr-us-airw.html/
 
MOU passes, merger commences.
Single carrier status granted, APA becomes bargaining agent.
CLT office is abandoned, Hummel is removed from office
JCBA signed, US and AA pilots now on joint contrct.
East and west are single entity
Seniority Integration begins under McCaskill Bond, 2 lists submitted.
Seniority finished between US and AA, one airline operating on one list.

The wheels are in motion, the end is near.
 
MOU passes, merger commences.
Single carrier status granted, APA becomes bargaining agent.
CLT office is abandoned, Hummel is removed from office
JCBA signed, US and AA pilots now on joint contrct.
East and west are single entity
Seniority Integration begins under McCaskill Bond, 2 lists submitted.
Seniority finished between US and AA, one airline operating on one list.

The wheels are in motion, the end is near.
The mou keeps the NIC away from the west, they will vote no. Try voting no once in your life, you can not get to second base unless you take your foot off first base.
 
MOU passes, merger commences.
Single carrier status granted, APA becomes bargaining agent.
CLT office is abandoned, Hummel is removed from office
JCBA signed, US and AA pilots now on joint contrct.
East and west are single entity
Seniority Integration begins under McCaskill Bond, 2 lists submitted.
Seniority finished between US and AA, one airline operating on one list.

The wheels are in motion, the end is near.
The end is near, but for who(m)? Did somebody say Spirit is at the door? One ponders at the possibilities.
 
Yea, go ahead and vote "NO"...look how well it is working for the F/As.

Without first knowing in detail what's contained in any proposal...well....the "intelligence" of a sea sponge would be needed to even suggest a blind vote for acceptance.
 
Change of Control/LOA 93

March 21, 2010 by Survey Team
The latest CREW NEWS held in CLT on March 17th with Mr. Parker filling in for Scott Kirby finished off with Mr. Parker volunteering some very compelling points to ponder. He brought up an issue that previously has not been mentioned by the company or the union– “CHANGE OF CONTROL.”
The EAST contract has “change of control” language requiring our pay to “snap back” to book rates. Book rates are defined in the restructuring agreement of 2002. He goes on to say that if there was a merger, that language would have to be mitigated or the merger structured so as to “not trigger that provision, ” implying no merger partner would want to pay those high pay rates and would not be attracted to merge with us.
In keeping with our philosophy of not offering opinions, we want to pose questions to the pilots instead of putting up a survey for this particular issue. We encourage you to talk to your reps about this contract language and its ramifications. Ask them why there has been no response to this and what they believe Mr. Parker is trying to do. He brought these issues up as the last item and it was NOT in response to a question from any pilot present. It does appear expectations are perhaps being managed, but you be the judge.
QUESTIONS:
1. How do you feel about the sincerity of the man who has stood in the way of us getting a better contract and pay for 5 years now characterizing our contract as the obstacle to another merger?
2. Do you believe he is managing our expectations to facilitate another merger?
3. If there is another merger, do you believe he will receive a bonus so it’s to his advantage to somehow mitigate the “change of control” language?
4. Do you believe the Hemenway letter recently placed in our mail boxes was in concert with this issue?
5. Do you believe some sort of merger deal or contract language mitigation deal is coming in leu of the LOA 93 grievance?
6. Do you believe the union is responsive in communicating these issues in order to build consensus?
7. Why does Mr. Parker bring it up as the last topic without a solicitation or question?
8. Do you believe the CREW NEWS format allows management to negotiate/manipulate directly with the pilots?
9. Do you believe this language truly is another obstacle to a merger?
10. Do you believe a merger is in our best interests?
11. Do you believe confidentiality agreements between the company and the union help or hinder the union and the pilot’s ability to keep its membership informed?
We encourage you to ask yourselves, your fellow pilots, and your union leaders questions related to this issue.
An informed and educated membership leads to a consensual direction. Please forward this to your fellow pilots. We will be coming out very soon with our new “CORPORATE CULTURE SURVEY!”
 
The end is near, but for who(m)? Did somebody say Spirit is at the door? One ponders at the possibilities.

We all have spirit, and soon east and west will be one. Then, together, we face the American integration. Are you going to still be around?
 
We all have spirit, and soon east and west will be one. Then, together, we face the American integration. Are you going to still be around?
Will you vote for the mou, if it does not include the nic. Yes or no.

My bet is you will not answer with a yes or no. Your thoughts please sir?
 
MOU passes, merger commences.
Single carrier status granted, APA becomes bargaining agent.
CLT office is abandoned, Hummel is removed from office
JCBA signed, US and AA pilots now on joint contrct.
East and west are single entity
Seniority Integration begins under McCaskill Bond, 2 lists submitted.
Seniority finished between US and AA, one airline operating on one list.

The wheels are in motion, the end is near.

This is so completely inaccurate....and then I looked at the author's name and the garbage was at least put into perspective.

What happened to the MOU containing language requiring the NIC? OOPS!!!! Turned out to be another typical AWA pilot fabrication.

It is really too bad that the AWA pilots didn't recognize the fatally flawed NIC for the completely lopsided windfall that it was for them. If we had all reached a reasonable compromise we would be focused on much better things.

The fatally flawed Nic transferred jobs from US east pilots to AWA pilots.... this is not even close to reasonable.

Boeing Driver

 
Will you vote for the mou, if it does not include the nic. Yes or no.

My bet is you will not answer with a yes or no. Your thoughts please sir?
The MOU does not cover our completed seniority integration, it finishes the JCBA final stage which USAPA can't accomplish (incompetence). From there, MB arbitration between two airlines, two pilot groups. We will be standing side by side in this fight Claxon! Together brother!
 
The MOU does not cover our completed seniority integration, it finishes the JCBA final stage which USAPA can't accomplish (incompetence). From there, MB arbitration between two airlines, two pilot groups. We will be standing side by side in this fight Claxon! Together brother!

"Will you vote for the mou, if it does not include the nic. Yes or no.

My bet is you will not answer with a yes or no. Your thoughts please sir?"

My prediction was correct.
 
The MOU does not cover our completed seniority integration, it finishes the JCBA final stage which USAPA can't accomplish (incompetence). From there, MB arbitration between two airlines, two pilot groups. We will be standing side by side in this fight Claxon! Together brother!

No it doesn't. There never will be a US west and US east contract now.

And any attempt to try and force it will be challenged in court. Count on it. At least another two to three years....

Boeing Driver
 
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