Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Boeing Driver]

Wow. The little sand people are NOT happy tonight.... Gonna need more cactus juice in the desert.

Boeing Driver

 

[prechilill]

Finally, the last piece to the east/ west integration process will be completed with the JCBA we have all been waiting for. Isn't it ironic that our third union will get us the combined contract that ALPA and USAPA couldn't? Wow! Who would have thought!!!

From there, seniority integration with the original AA pilots. That should be fun (not). But I believe in unions and I believe in the APA, after we integrate the two pilot groups to make the largest pilot group in the country we will be, together, unstoppable.

 

[algflyr]

Wow. The little sand people are NOT happy tonight.... Gonna need more cactus juice in the desert.

Boeing Driver

Maybe we can keep the Cactus call sign for the new American Airlines... 🙂

 

[nevergiveup]

We all have spirit, and soon east and west will be one. Then, together, we face the American integration. Are you going to still be around?

Big and round!

 

[Boeing Driver]

Finally, the last piece to the east/ west integration process will be completed with the JCBA we have all been waiting for. Isn't it ironic that our third union will get us the combined contract that ALPA and USAPA couldn't? Wow! Who would have thought!!!

From there, seniority integration with the original AA pilots. That should be fun (not). But I believe in unions and I believe in the APA, after we integrate the two pilot groups to make the largest pilot group in the country we will be, together, unstoppable.

Desperation personified....

Very sad to watch.

Boeing Driver

 

[Claxon]

Finally, the last piece to the east/ west integration process will be completed with the JCBA we have all been waiting for. Isn't it ironic that our third union will get us the combined contract that ALPA and USAPA couldn't? Wow! Who would have thought!!!

From there, seniority integration with the original AA pilots. That should be fun (not). But I believe in unions and I believe in the APA, after we integrate the two pilot groups to make the largest pilot group in the country we will be, together, unstoppable.

Please do not ever forget, you are an america west pilot with a sordid history. You west pilots did everything you could to disrupt the democratic process at US Airways. You america west pilots have a history of flying drugs, flying drunk, stole east pilots id, you flew in australia. You stood up in front of doug parker in phx meetings and accused East pilots of slowing down and burning fuel.

My airline, other airlines and east pilots I know will never forget this.

 

[prechilill]

Now that we will have a JCBA, the seniority issue will finally be put to rest. It will be interesting to see the movement on the former west, all the pilots can now hold captain slots on the former east equipment. The APA will serve as a righteous guardian to union principles, they follow their word, their obligations as our new union and understand what is best for everybody: unity. They know the truth.

 

[high*flyer]

11-0....either the SLI was not addressed in the MOU or a compromised list was reached between AWA/US...

 

[Boeing Driver]

Maybe we can keep the Cactus call sign for the new American Airlines... 🙂

You mean we're not??

Darn, I was sorta counting on keeping that amateurish call sign.

Boeing Driver

 

[Phoenix]

Now that we will have a JCBA, the seniority issue will finally be put to rest. It will be interesting to see the movement on the former west, all the pilots can now hold captain slots on the former east equipment. The APA will serve as a righteous guardian to union principles, they follow their word, their obligations as our new union and understand what is best for everybody: unity. They know the truth.

You need to take a break before you hyperventilate.

 

[nevergiveup]

Finally, the last piece to the east/ west integration process will be completed with the JCBA we have all been waiting for. Isn't it ironic that our third union will get us the combined contract that ALPA and USAPA couldn't? Wow! Who would have thought!!!

From there, seniority integration with the original AA pilots. That should be fun (not). But I believe in unions and I believe in the APA, after we integrate the two pilot groups to make the largest pilot group in the country we will be, together, unstoppable.

I believe this does not fulfill the requirements of the transition agreement that would allow the NIC to be used operationally. I think that option is long past.

 

[prechilill]

11-0....either the SLI was not addressed in the MOU or a compromised list was reached between AWA/US...

Seniority wasn't addressed because it didn't need to be. The list is done, all that is needed is a JCBA. The APA will finish that for us.

 

[Phoenix]

I believe this does not fulfill the requirements of the transition agreement that would allow the NIC to be used operationally. I think that option is long past.

The update doesn't say it's a JCBA. It's just an MOU that sets up a frame work for merging with AA, and it is null and void if the merger doesn't happen or other parties don't agree. Have to agree it don't sound like it meets the events for a Nic.

 

[prechilill]

I believe this does not fulfill the requirements of the transition agreement that would allow the NIC to be used operationally. I think that option is long past.

The TA specifies a joint agreement. The APA inherits the TA. Case closed.

 

[cleardirect]

All the westies have taken shelter it seems, they must know something not to good has happened, what could it be. Hey, where is JJ (Move 2 CLT) he is usually mouthing off by now?, must be on a chicken run.

Geez you guys calm down. I had to fly a trip no one has gone anywhere. Did not know that you all missed me that much when I am not here to explain things to you. Don't worry your little heads it will be ok.

The NDA is still in effect. No details have been released yet but an intelligent person can figure this out.

First question you have to ask is why did it take 3 days to pass when the APA did it in a day? What possible item or items could be included in the MOU that had the east reps tearing their hair out?

Swan asked about seniority. No I don't think seniority is included in the MOU. But I do think that an MOU gets us to a joint contract which implements the Nicolau. In addition don't forget that usapa asked the NMB to start talks again. Both parties had to respond. Usapa has not relaesed the companies response to the line pilots? What do you suppose the company told the NMB? Might it be what they told the court that they think they are legally bound by the Nicolau and will be sued and loss if the company uses anything other than the Nicolau?

In my opinion the reason it took so long to swallow that bitter pill by the east reps is because this MOU is not even close to what usapa promised for a contract and what many of you have been pounding your chest about. All the talk about leverage and sacrifices and being repaid. You get none of it. We all saw the last MOU, my guess is it is not much different maybe a little bigger signing bonus but not $100,000.

What you guys are going to find is an MOU that is very close to what Parker offered in the Kirby 5 years ago. Jack Stephan testified that there was 10% to be had.

West captain 142 plus 10% = $152. That was 5 years ago. The new APA rates are around $165. Not a huge difference but a lot of money you guys gave away over the course of 5 years and we would be working on the second contract probably getting $165 or more.

So the east reps, Bradford and the rest are going to have to stand up and sell you east guys on a contract today that you could have had 5 years ago and end up with the Nicolau. What was this whole usapa experiment about to bring you back to the exact same place 5 years later? Total failure.

That I believe is why it took 3 days to swallow that sh&$ sandwich and figure out a way to keep you east pilots from killing your leadership.

The Nicolau is the list, no doubt. It just will not be included in the MOU. You guys can only take one beating at a time.