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What we all agreed to was membership ratification.

What we agreed to exactly was that our bargaining agent would follow the merger policy of final and binding arbitration. Insert that result into a joint contract.

What that same bargaining agent (all of us) agreed to was membership ratification of the joint contract with a decided seniority list.

Thank you for admitting to that. Now if usapa could manage to get us a contract for us to vote on. Except east pilots are failing to live up to your part of what you agreed to. You know what you just said you agreed to. Membership ratification of a contract.

BTW. What union agreed to membership ratification that you said we all agreed to? How is it that you will only live up to the parts of that agreement?
 
What we agreed to exactly was that our bargaining agent would follow the merger policy of final and binding arbitration. Insert that result into a joint contract.

What that same bargaining agent (all of us) agreed to was membership ratification of the joint contract with a decided seniority list.

Thank you for admitting to that. Now if usapa could manage to get us a contract for us to vote on. Except east pilots are failing to live up to your part of what you agreed to. You know what you just said you agreed to. Membership ratification of a contract.

BTW. What union agreed to membership ratification that you said we all agreed to? How is it that you will only live up to the parts of that agreement?
With "DUAL RATIFICATION" it would have to have been a "JCBA with all sections we "ALL" agreed on, maybe if we had voted on a JCBA with the stipulation of a section to be decided by "ALPA" that we all ratified things would be different! But right now the majority agreed we were better off without "ALPA" their merger policies,(changing as the winds blow) , or their useless representation! Our choice WEST & EAST seperate ops till the cows come home!
 
With "DUAL RATIFICATION" it would have to have been a "JCBA with all sections we "ALL" agreed on, maybe if we had voted on a JCBA with the stipulation of a section to be decided by "ALPA" that we all ratified things would be different! But right now the majority agreed we were better off without "ALPA" their merger policies,(changing as the winds blow) , or their useless representation! Our choice WEST & EAST seperate ops till the cows come home!


Works for me.


seajay
 
End of Alpa said: "You know the big JOKE on this last election? If Ferguson, Koontz, and Holmes ran on the premise that "We don't believe in the DOH provision in the C & B but we will work to change the very same through a constitutional rewrite" they may have gotten more votes from the East. Unfortunately they would be doing the same thing Hummel and Bradford haven't been doing since they got in. THEY DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE BPR and they negotiate with the company."

You need to take a break from this board, you are nearing the "blowhard" stage of internet addiction. I ask you, when (other than a very well publicized "breakfast with Parker" after the AMR announcement last April) has the VP EVER had negotiating contact with the Company?

And please give me one example of Hummel negotiating with the company, much less taking a phone call, without telling the BPR?

The problem here is the entire BPR has not been communicating (only giving half the story) with the membership, thus your "loss at sea." You simply don't know what you are talking about, and are either making it up or parroting your own reps.

You in fact owe Bradford a debt of gratitude, yet choose to make stuff up to prove a point to PHX pilots who could care less what you (or I) have to say about anything.

Take a break Alpa. Better pay attention to the latest news. I smell change in the air, and it has nothing to do with recalls or internal union squabbles. We better get our act together, all of us.

Greeter
 
Post #255 proves that you don't. But you are still the king asswipe.

PS: I do enjoy working in PHX with good, quality people.
This is why East and West can never work together. I can make the same case for you.

I'm just above you're name calling.

The more we see responses from the likes of you simply demonstrate to all the irrationality of your "argument". Please carry on with your rants.
 
I have been to a CLT crew news (at my own expense) I have never seen a bigger collection of brown nosing pussies in my life.
Kind of like Rhett Butler crying to Parker about no widebody flying and how he will have to go to Air China, and all the growth out west, that was a funny one.
 
And please give me one example of Hummel negotiating with the company, much less taking a phone call, without telling the BPR?

Greeter
When Hummel and Bradford ran off to PHX early on without letting anyone know about it. No transparency on his part, everyday he makes Cleary look like a hero and should probably call him to get advice. HE IS WEAK and the company knows that.
 
End of Alpa said: "You know the big JOKE on this last election? If Ferguson, Koontz, and Holmes ran on the premise that "We don't believe in the DOH provision in the C & B but we will work to change the very same through a constitutional rewrite" they may have gotten more votes from the East. Unfortunately they would be doing the same thing Hummel and Bradford haven't been doing since they got in. THEY DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE BPR and they negotiate with the company."

You need to take a break from this board, you are nearing the "blowhard" stage of internet addiction. I ask you, when (other than a very well publicized "breakfast with Parker" after the AMR announcement last April) has the VP EVER had negotiating contact with the Company?

And please give me one example of Hummel negotiating with the company, much less taking a phone call, without telling the BPR?

The problem here is the entire BPR has not been communicating (only giving half the story) with the membership, thus your "loss at sea." You simply don't know what you are talking about, and are either making it up or parroting your own reps.

You in fact owe Bradford a debt of gratitude, yet choose to make stuff up to prove a point to PHX pilots who could care less what you (or I) have to say about anything.

Take a break Alpa. Better pay attention to the latest news. I smell change in the air, and it has nothing to do with recalls or internal union squabbles. We better get our act together, all of us.

Greeter
Whom do you think invited Parker to speak a the spring BPR meeting? We're you there when BP asked Parker what he needed from us and he said "nothing"! You are really that naive to have Gary and Steve remove DiOreo from the NAC even though his intimate knowledge of our contract was unianimously supported by all three lawyers?
Are you aware that Wilder and Coello are asking Gary to let him come back for that very reason?

Why replace him with Owens who was sent to APA to somehow get their tacit approval to work with our company? How is it that the MOU has to be supported when the NAC is empowered to negotiate a CONTRACT, not some side letter that has very little legal support in relation to our prior contracts. Are you aware that the BPR voted 10-0-1 to NOT APPROVE THE MOU AND THEN SEND IT OUT FOR A VOTE? Moot point now, dead issue.

Don't you think we've had our fill of side-letters? That as one of the reasons we got rid of ALPA....remember?

As far as your recall website is concerned 90 percent of what you have on there comes from Chip. We all know his mark. I happen to know that one of people you have "advertised" as a possible rep has no intention of running, so is there really truth in advertising from YOUR site?

Why do I need to give Steve any debt of gratitude BTW when he didn't do most of the work. I have a list of all the pilots who worked hard and Steve was only one of the many. Secondly, I was there when Steve was chosen for President and it wasn't for his administrative experience. In fact, that is why the EVP position was put in at the last minute to help take the load off Steve. (And increased the already top heavy leadership problem we have). Lastly Steve is the one who got the RICO lawsuit with the West started. If Steve really cared about establishing some kind of "reaching across the isle" to the West he wouldn't have run. But he did and the west still hate him for that as much now as they did then. Tell me, how does THAT serve the common good?

Steve NEVER came to me and asked me how we should handle the West pilots.

I have never sugar-coated the obstacles in front of us and I never will. If it means I don't ever get elected is actually fine by me. We now have less than 5000 pilots with many on the East not willing to serve because of our differences.

The recall CLT website is just as "un bias" as "un bias facts" which has never really given the whole story. If YOU want to succeed in the recall effort, at least get your facts straight on the website.

We have a problem and the problem is communication. The leadership doesn't communicate with the BPR, (even the West agrees with that) and that lack of communication imputes conspiracy. When our legal team gives in to the leadership hat contrast that of our constitution supporting a contract solution to a seniority solution WE ALL LOOSE.

And that is the real reason none of us are going anywhere fast.

BTW I still support the CLT reps for reasons like the support they give the pilots in representational actions from the company. You don't address that on your website.

Tell me, Greeter. You running for CLT rep? You can call me a blowhard all you want but the facts still remain the facts. I'll debate facts as long as you're willing to know the history from those who were there before you start casting aspersions.

 
When Hummel and Bradford ran off to PHX early on without letting anyone know about it. No transparency on his part, everyday he makes Cleary look like a hero and should probably call him to get advice. HE IS WEAK and the company knows that.
That is what we know of. Who runs to Dallas behind our NAC back last spring at before DiOreo was booted. Gary has NEVER been much for policy and protocol unless it comes from him FIRST. IMHO the constitution should be rewritten to where one BPR rep should chair the important committees. That could take the sting out of "rogue leadership".
 
When Hummel and Bradford ran off to PHX early on without letting anyone know about it. No transparency on his part, everyday he makes Cleary look like a hero and should probably call him to get advice. HE IS WEAK and the company knows that.

You mislead and quibble by omission. They went to Phoenix BEFORE taking office. Unlike the previous admin a concous effort to reach out to the West was made. They owed the BPR no more notice on that than you would. At the time they were simply MIGs.
 
Whom do you think invited Parker to speak a the spring BPR meeting? We're you there when BP asked Parker what he needed from us and he said "nothing"! You are really that naive to have Gary and Steve remove DiOreo from the NAC even though his intimate knowledge of our contract was unianimously supported by all three lawyers?
Are you aware that Wilder and Coello are asking Gary to let him come back for that very reason?

Why replace him with Owens who was sent to APA to somehow get their tacit approval to work with our company? How is it that the MOU has to be supported when the NAC is empowered to negotiate a CONTRACT, not some side letter that has very little legal support in relation to our prior contracts. Are you aware that the BPR voted 10-0-1 to NOT APPROVE THE MOU AND THEN SEND IT OUT FOR A VOTE? Moot point now, dead issue.

Don't you think we've had our fill of side-letters? That as one of the reasons we got rid of ALPA....remember?

As far as your recall website is concerned 90 percent of what you have on there comes from Chip. We all know his mark. I happen to know that one of people you have "advertised" as a possible rep has no intention of running, so is there really truth in advertising from YOUR site?

Why do I need to give Steve any debt of gratitude BTW when he didn't do most of the work. I have a list of all the pilots who worked hard and Steve was only one of the many. Secondly, I was there when Steve was chosen for President and it wasn't for his administrative experience. In fact, that is why the EVP position was put in at the last minute to help take the load off Steve. (And increased the already top heavy leadership problem we have). Lastly Steve is the one who got the RICO lawsuit with the West started. If Steve really cared about establishing some kind of "reaching across the isle" to the West he wouldn't have run. But he did and the west still hate him for that as much now as they did then. Tell me, how does THAT serve the common good?

Steve NEVER came to me and asked me how we should handle the West pilots.

I have never sugar-coated the obstacles in front of us and I never will. If it means I don't ever get elected is actually fine by me. We now have less than 5000 pilots with many on the East not willing to serve because of our differences.

The recall CLT website is just as "un bias" as "un bias facts" which has never really given the whole story. If YOU want to succeed in the recall effort, at least get your facts straight on the website.

We have a problem and the problem is communication. The leadership doesn't communicate with the BPR, (even the West agrees with that) and that lack of communication imputes conspiracy. When our legal team gives in to the leadership hat contrast that of our constitution supporting a contract solution to a seniority solution WE ALL LOOSE.

And that is the real reason none of us are going anywhere fast.

BTW I still support the CLT reps for reasons like the support they give the pilots in representational actions from the company. You don't address that on your website.

Tell me, Greeter. You running for CLT rep? You can call me a blowhard all you want but the facts still remain the facts. I'll debate facts as long as you're willing to know the history from those who were there before you start casting aspersions.

DiOrio spent four years on full FPL and never brought so much a side letter. At some point (and enough was enough) it is time for new blood. When the new admin took office he hoarded info and refused to work with other involved committee chairs. That was his Cleary "info is power" way of doing things. He kept pushing and after being called on the carpet numerous times was let go, with approval of the BPR. He then (heavens!) had to actually work under LOA 93 for a change. He is still withholding information in the hopes it will get him off the line. I am not part of the CLT recall (other than happily signing on) and (again) neither is Munn. Who knows what effort he supports today, I guess it depends on when he takes his meds?And finally, since you choose to drag it up again, the RICO action was done with full approval of the BPR. Period. They did not ask me either.Your heart is there, but you have not been. I know you support the CLT reps, and you will soon get a vote to prove it. But quit dragging up this old election fodder. Greeter
 
Post #255 proves that you don't. But you are still the king asswipe.

PS: I do enjoy working in PHX with good, quality people.
Kind of like Rhett Butler crying to Parker about no widebody flying and how he will have to go to Air China, and all the growth out west, that was a funny one.

Quality people? Bunch of feakn scabs. LOL.
 
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