Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

"....integrated using the NIC, at a huge disadvantage to the AMR pilots."..? Umm...sure thing, if you say so. I've no doubt that APA will both enthusiastically and immediately support that. Seriously; what IS it in the very air/water/whatever the critical vector is in PHX...?

Saving a major airline is hard work. Saving two is simply divine. Their ways are not our ways. Don't try to understand, just stand in awe.

 

[Phoenix]

I for one miss Boeing Boy.

He seemed to disapear soon after Silver put the K-bosh on everything he predicted.

 

[prechilill]

Bummer!

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/us-airways-pilots-lose-class-bid-pension-fight

 

[prechilill]

He seemed to disapear soon after Silver put the K-bosh on everything he predicted.

So why are you still here SCOTT?

 

[EastUS1]

Saving a major airline is hard work. Saving two is simply divine. Their ways are not our ways. Don't try to understand, just stand in awe.

Indeed sir. It is sometimes difficult to surrender all sense of self and logical process. Sigh! Only one course immediately serves for this grevous fault. I must now make my daily pilgrimage to theTemple of AWA, containing the Shrine of St Nic, and abase myself in proper penitence. 🙂

 

[Beancounter]

Not hardly Pre. All the line pilots, like myself, that I've flown with are quite happy that I've promised to never vote in favor of anything with the nic stench. As for your above?....Well...I'd wait a bit and see how that eventually applies to those devoted followers of Duchess Fergie and their various and many Ladies in Waiting. 😉

Don't worry, if this goes through your votes won't matter, you'll be the minority. You guys are great at dishing it out, I'd love to see how you all deal with a big heaping bowl of, "Shut the $*&! up," shoved down your throats. Busy day, later.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

Bummer!

http://www.opposingv...d-pension-fight

Another variable for the UCC solidified. Sorta looks like Crandall was right... the key issue is pilot SLI cooperation. Doesn't he know arbitration takes at least two years. Like, Duh.

 

[EastUS1]

Don't worry, if this goes through your votes won't matter, you'll be the minority. You guys are great at dishing it out, I'd love to see how you all deal with a big heaping bowl of, "Shut the $*&! up," shoved down your throats. Busy day, later.

Bean

"Interesting Times" for all concerned Bean. Have a good one today.

 

[Phoenix]

Indeed sir. It is sometimes difficult to surrender all sense of self and logical process. Sigh! Only one course immediately serves for this grevous fault. I must now make my daily pilgrimage to theTemple of AWA, containing the shrine of St Nic and abase myself in proper penitence. 🙂

30 Hail Martys for you! Then go in peace and sand no more.

 

[EastUS1]

30 Hail Martys for you! Then go in peace and sand no more.

Perfect. 🙂

 

[prechilill]

WHEREAS Judge Silver's ruling stated:
“When USAPA became the pilots’ new collective bargaining representative, it succeeded 'to the status of the former representative without alteration in the contract terms.' Int’l Bhd. of Teamsters v. Texas Int’l Airlines, Inc., 717 F.2d 157, 163 (5th Cir. 1983). As there does not appear to be any dispute that the Transition Agreement was part of the contract between the pilots and US Airways, the Transition Agreement applies to USAPA. Even the case which USAPA relies upon states there is a 'general principle that collective bargaining agreements survive a change in representative.' ***’n of Flight Attendants, AFL-CIO v. USAir, Inc., 24 F.3d 1432, 1439 (D.C. Cir. 1994). Thus, just as ALPA would have been bound by the Transition Agreement had it remained the pilots’ representative, USAPA is bound by the Transition Agreement.”

A great statement by Justice Silver.

So, is the company interested in altering the transition agreement?
Can USAPA get the transition agreement changed, a new seniority list accepted by the company and a new JCBA in place before an AMR merger? Hmmmm

 

[Phoenix]

WHEREAS Judge Silver's ruling stated:
"When USAPA became the pilots' new collective bargaining representative, it succeeded 'to the status of the former representative without alteration in the contract terms.' Int'l Bhd. of Teamsters v. Texas Int'l Airlines, Inc., 717 F.2d 157, 163 (5th Cir. 1983). As there does not appear to be any dispute that the Transition Agreement was part of the contract between the pilots and US Airways, the Transition Agreement applies to USAPA. Even the case which USAPA relies upon states there is a 'general principle that collective bargaining agreements survive a change in representative.' ***'n of Flight Attendants, AFL-CIO v. USAir, Inc., 24 F.3d 1432, 1439 (D.C. Cir. 1994). Thus, just as ALPA would have been bound by the Transition Agreement had it remained the pilots' representative, USAPA is bound by the Transition Agreement."

A great statement by Justice Silver

News flash. The UCC is not meeting to revisit Judge Silver, they are meeting now becasue Judge Silver green lighted them to move on, ie. variable resolved. Crandall told everyone the remaining variable.

 

[prechilill]

News flash. The UCC is not meeting to revisit Judge Silver, they are meeting now becasue Judge Silver green lighted them to move on.

Can you even read what you post Scott? The UCC has nothing to do with Silver- all Silver clarified to you DOH princesses out east is that you inherited the TA, to modify the seniority list you have to modify the TA. My post above has nothing to do with the UCC. Try another straw grasp...

 

[Phoenix]

..My post above has nothing to do with the UCC...

Exactly.

 

[Claxon]

Having again read this...well...somebody, somewhere...please tell me that this was just a joke, and that even west reps couldn't come up with anything so utterly assinine?...?

Equivalency In Pay, Benefits, And Retirement (PHX Domicile Resolution - untitled)
WHEREAS all pilots for the new US Airways must be considered equals in all areas regardless of the fact that we came from different backgrounds, currently work under different contracts, and may have started at different times with the company, and
WHEREAS our current contracts are the sum total of all the work we have done, investments we made in our company, revenue we have generated, and contracts we have negotiated. It is to be expected that these contracts have many similarities and many differences, and
WHEREAS all pilots of the new US Airways will someday fly together as one unified pilot group , and as such, we must demand the same total compensation and equal treatment by US Airways in all areas of the new contract, and
WHEREAS West pilots desire to support East pilots in obtaining both full pay parity, as well as full retroactive pay to the amendable date of the East CBA. West pilots, in turn, expect the support of East pilots in obtaining full retroactive pay to the West CBA amendable date, and
WHEREAS parity is a two-way street and unity will be required to achieve a true industry standard contract to include these retroactive components. The pilots of US Airways must help not only ourselves, but also each other, or management will again have its way while leaving our pilots empty handed, and
WHEREAS East pilots will receive the vast majority of funds required to pay for these retroactive components and as required to bring the two groups to pay and benefit parity.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the new contract shall provide all US Airways pilots with identical pay and benefits, notwithstanding industry-standard equipment and position pay variations, to include retirement equality.
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT West pilots, and all East pilots without retirement pensions, (or reduced pension benefits) shall earn retirement benefits similar to the maximum provided by the PBGC to many East pilots, or an equivalent sum contributed to their 401K accounts.
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the PHX representatives will not support a new contract that does not include equivalency in pay, benefits, and retirement (including equivalency of the East's PBGC pension) for all US Airways pilots. Furthermore, the PHX representatives shall include reference to Retirement Parity in all communications to the PHX domicile and other domiciles and representatives when appropriate.
THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs the Negotiating Advisory Committee to negotiate terms to the forthcoming “joint contract,” addressing the concerns stated above in order to provide an ALL US Airways pilots with identical total compensation.
After discussion and a short briefing by Grievance Chairman Ciabattoni, a motion to Table for costing failed 7-4 (No - DCA Stein, PHL, PHX; Yes - CLT, DCA - Dugstad)
The main motion then failed 7-4 (No - CLT McKee, Crimi, DCA, PHL; Yes - CLT Dewitt, PHX)