Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT West pilots, and all East pilots without retirement pensions, (or reduced pension benefits) shall earn retirement benefits similar to the maximum provided by the PBGC to many East pilots, or an equivalent sum contributed to their 401K accounts.
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the PHX representatives will not support a new contract that does not include equivalency in pay, benefits, and retirement (including equivalency of the East's PBGC pension) for all US Airways pilots.

Thanks for the post. I had to see it to really believe it. So, if I have this right here; the demand is for gains (including equivalency of the East's PBGC pension) to people that didn't suffer the losses or sacrifices, but are nonetheless "entitled"?....Whatta' complete surprise. 😉

"...the PHX representatives will not support a new contract..." = Big surprise there. One west rep's on posted record here, flatly stating that "no support" for a contract will be coming from those incredibly cross-threaded buffoons.

 

[Phoenix]

Yes Mr. and Mrs. UCC, this is our new SLI, but we have one tiny request... can we make this effective 1 day after the effective date of Bid 13-2?

 

[Claxon]

And it wouldn't surprise me if the "non USAirways pilot" Claxon, is none other than Mike Cleary himself.

I consider you comparing me to Captain Cleary a compliment. He was a courageous leader.

You posts defending the west pilots, only to make your West Coast to East Coast commute easier and to be liked by them, is not a trait I admire.

 

[Claxon]

Yesterday's BPR meeting proved this point.

A resolution was brought that would have shared the benefits of this merger. But predictably the east reps voted against it 8-3.

More selfish behavior. The east wanting to keep everything for themselves.

That is what angry f/o 2004 hire Fergie and your group is trying to set up with these fruitless resolutions. AMR APA and creditors are not too interested in the PHX hub I hear.

 

[Claxon]

Thanks for the post. I had to see it to really believe it. So, if I have this right here; the demand is for gains (including equivalency of the East's PBGC pension) to people that didn't suffer the losses or sacrifices, but are nonetheless "entitled"?....Whatta' complete surprise. 😉

"...the PHX representatives will not support a new contract..." = Big surprise there. One west rep's on posted record here, flatly stating that "no support" for a contract will be coming from those incredibly cross-threaded buffoons.

PHX Rep David Simmons was told by GOD to seek the retirement equivalent.

 

[Claxon]

More FUD. If you guys had the ability to read you might understand this resolution.

But first a question?

Will ALL east pilots get a PBGC check?


Answer no.

This resolution included both east and west pilots that don't get a PBGC check.

All the pilots that earned the PBGC are eligible to receive checks.

West 141@ hr minus defined benefit, profit sharing and jumpseat policy, equals 120@ hr. The contracts were equal before ALPA national added to your side in the transition agreement. They did this to try to force East into accepting an internal union dispute by the use of monetary persuasion.

Nice try United pilots er I mean "nuetral arbiters" and rice committee chairmann and former ALPA president.

 

[luvthe9]

That is correct. Federal arbitration. M/B will not allow a 7 year temper tantrum.

Negotiate for a year to get nowhere. Mediate for a yer to get nowhere.

No the path with the most certainty is a contract first. Known costs. Arbitration and a final decision with federal law behind it.

More like a 7 year termite infestation. West termites. The kind that do no work, but eat at the house until it is destroyed. It is time to take care of the pests for good.

 

[Claxon]

All the pilots that earned the PBGC are eligible to receive checks.

The East pilots earned their PBGC, seniority and attrition gains they have to date. The creditors committee will earn their share.

All doing it the old fashioned way, They Earned it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAMRXqQXemU

 

[cleardirect]

Post the resolution.

read the update

 

[cleardirect]

Umm...I see...So then; you're a distinct, seperate and indeed "special" little group out west (no argument on the "special" part from me) that will somehow, magically benefit should the APA prove themselves the "enemy" of the LCC pilots? Wow! I think we're done for the moment here. Feel free to resume ramblings about ANY others being "Delusional". 🙂

Now you are saying that the west is not a distinct group.

How was it you thought that the west not a distinct group could negotiate away from the Nicolau?

Pick aside and an argument will you.

 

[cleardirect]

Thanks for the post. I had to see it to really believe it. So, if I have this right here; the demand is for gains (including equivalency of the East's PBGC pension) to people that didn't suffer the losses or sacrifices, but are nonetheless "entitled"?....Whatta' complete surprise. 😉

"...the PHX representatives will not support a new contract..." = Big surprise there. One west rep's on posted record here, flatly stating that "no support" for a contract will be coming from those incredibly cross-threaded buffoons.

So you are against have equal pay for all pilots? That east and west pilots without PBGC money should get nothing.

How very union of you.

 

[cleardirect]

All the pilots that earned the PBGC are eligible to receive checks.

West 141@ hr minus defined benefit, profit sharing and jumpseat policy, equals 120@ hr. The contracts were equal before ALPA national added to your side in the transition agreement. They did this to try to force East into accepting an internal union dispute by the use of monetary persuasion.

Nice try United pilots er I mean "nuetral arbiters" and rice committee chairmann and former ALPA president.

What about the east pilots without PBGC and the new hires. Just throw them under the bus?

 

[Phoenix]

So you are against have equal pay for all pilots? That east and west pilots without PBGC money should get nothing.

How very union of you.

Ok, since AWA never had a pension I think we can forgive your ignorance about how pilots vest in a pension and accrue their earnings based on years of service. Years of service matter. The PBGC took over the pension and divided the money (much less of it than should have existed) and divided the money according to accrued benefits based on years of service. It was pennies on the dollar. AWA had no accrual because they didn't have a pension plan. Any attempt to be equal in earnings apart from equality in years of service is greatly frowned upon, as you all should have known by now. You might as well visit the owners of your local professional basketball team and demand your fair portion of the players retirement, because you are such a fan.

 

[Claxon]

So you are against have equal pay for all pilots? That east and west pilots without PBGC money should get nothing.

How very union of you.

You got your DC plan from the eastern group. You had none. You never supported equal pay for the eastern div. pilots.
You entered into employment with an airline that was founded on scab labor, and helped lower the bar on all the carriers which had pension plans. Your undermining their careers with low pay and no retirement helped them lose theirs. Now, you want the remains of what you helped destroy. You are a disgusting individual. You deserve nothing.

 

[prechilill]

Now you are saying that the west is not a distinct group.

How was it you thought that the west not a distinct group could negotiate away from the Nicolau?

Pick aside and an argument will you.

Next in his dogfight maneuvers will be a double reversal on his "west is a separate class" thinking coupled with copious gibber, smileys, chaff and a 1000 more posts