Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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west pilots video, staring and produced by west pilots Auxier, Anger, Bric Lecarre.

AMR, creditors, company and American pilots better watch out, these west guys will cast a spell on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA

This truly is where the few trash their profession to prove their point. If the industry like ALPA or the other unions have seen this it's no wonder they don't wish us to be any part of them.

These guys are really Captains? Including their kids? Humor?

The profession they bash is their own.

Shameful.

 

[traderjake]

Why can't you be as tired of writing that as I am of reading it?

You're tired of reading it because it's true and you have no rebuttal.

 

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You're tired of reading it because it's true and you have no rebuttal.

I haven't read anything you've posted as true....opinion, but none based in FACT.

Like, how about those cases supporting your position?

 

[traderjake]

I haven't read anything you've posted as true....opinion, but none based in FACT.

Like, how about those cases supporting your position?

I've got four seniority arbitrations in a row supporting my position, that's a fact.

Did Southwest - Airtran merger go DOH/LOS?

 

[prechilill]

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Were you even in elementary school when any of this went down? Piedmont-Empire. Had NOTHING to do with USAir

Oh I see, the Empire pilots don't work for US Airways then, according to you, oh brilliant one. Got it!

 

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I've got four seniority arbitrations in a row supporting my position, that's a fact.

Did Southwest - Airtran merger go DOH/LOS?

I've got all the legal cases that support mine, including the 9th and Silvers.

SWA stapled AirTran pilots.....or else.

Your "arbitrations" worked because the larger group accepted them. It was only a ,tater of time.

You find any cases yet?

 

[traderjake]

I've got all the legal cases that support mine, including the 9th and Silvers.

SWA stapled AirTran pilots.....or else.

Your "arbitrations" worked because the larger group accepted them. It was only a ,tater of time.

You find any cases yet?

Sorry to break the news to you but the 9th said "not ripe yet" and Silver said "no immunity for the company".

Those cases do not support your position, USAPA still has a DFR.

I'll concede USAPA can negotiate seniority subject to DFR just like you had to concede that election.

 

[Phoenix]

Oh I see, the Empire pilots don't work for US Airways then, according to you, oh brilliant one. Got it!

Ok, so you were in elementary school when Empire was bought. But there is this really cool new thing called Google...

 

[cleardirect]

The Cactus call sign came from Bular, who stated he felt your group lost everything in the merger, so they wanted to give you something so you didn't feel disenfranchised. This is the truth. As far as the company telling "us" we have to use the Nicloau? You just don't get much of what has gone on here for years. If Wake couldn't do it, the 9th backed it, and Silver says it isn' the case- then how can a corporation impose it?

No! Bular is the one that blocked it for many months. It was Parker that made the commitment to use cactus but he was listening to Bular tall him the east would be pissed off. when the east got pissed anyway and placed the ad in USA Today. Parker had enough and told Bular make it happen. If you remember the AWE designation was a false safety issue that flight ops (Bular) used.

At least you acknowledge that the west has been disenfrancished and gotten nothing from this merger.

As far as what the ninth and Silver told usapa. NEGOTIATE with the company if you have a LUP. The company has chosen NOT to negotiate with usapa for seniority. That leaves usapa with one choice just like PBS. It will be in the next contract. Yes yes or no. Oh that's right there may not even be a vote because we will be APA.

 

[767jetz]

They won't impose it. They'll just say no. No to anything else as it's too much liability. You guys are the only ones who don't care about the liability because you'll BK USTUPID in a heartbeat without a second thought. The company won't do that. So LOA93 until you retire or the Nic. I know, I know....you'd rather retire on LOA93 than accept the nic. B.S. I say. Look at those United rates and try to imagine what life would be like if you were a "real" airline pilot.

Looks like the end of USAPA is near.

I guess the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all:

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

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Looks like the end of USAPA is near.

I guess the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all:

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

So much for the "APA wants DOH" theory.

APA spokesman Tom Hoban said that only a tiny number of APA's 8,000 members oppose a merger. "We've seen no groundswell in support of Tom Horton and a standalone operation," he said. "It's been just the opposite." He said the APA board voted 18-0 in support of a merger in April, and that 95% of its members voted "no confidence" in the current management team and the standalone plan.
Without a merger, he said, American will remain far smaller than its key competitors and "there won't be any change in the toxic culture we've got." He called Manno's efforts part of an orchestrated management campaign.

As for seniority, Hoban said the solution under the McCaskill-Bond model will most likely include establishing a ratio integration for seniority among pilot groups and then protecting pilots in certain categories with fences. The same solution worked in the Delta (DAL_) merger and seems likely to work in the United (UAL_) merger as well, he said.

Seems the APA does not want to put all the old east pilots in front of them only for a few years.

 

[EastUS1]

So LOA93 until you retire or the Nic. I know, I know....you'd rather retire on LOA93 than accept the nic. B.S. I say. Look at those United rates and try to imagine what life would be like if you were a "real" airline pilot.

Well princess; if it's as you say, then I'm fine with the status quo until I retire. I like sleeping well at night, and that would be less possible should I sell out fine people I've flown with for many years, in favor of in credibly gredy, self-obsessed and purely insipid little punks like your "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves". I'll never vote for anything that even smells of the nic...period. If that doesn't fit your fantasies; that's your problem, not mine. As for being a "real" airline pilot? Well...I was fortunate to have flown during the time when that actually meant something, which you can't even imagine, given that you never experienced such, nor will ever.

Metromess"...you'd rather retire on LOA93 than accept the nic. B.S. I say." Just the fact that you could say that speaks untold volumes about yourself and your "value" system and "principles", in that you can't even imagine anyone not selling others out for a few pieces of silver. How truly sad for you.

 

[Metroyet]

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[EastUS1]

Looks like the end of USAPA is near.

I guess the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all:

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

Oh I don't know about that. I know a couple with twice your life and flying experiences that've "loudly" expressed rather rude thoughts that they'd much rather be free of the "new breed" of...ummm....errr, what laughably, nowadays passes for "pilots" like yourself, and your great buddies, the "spartans", "knights" and "wizards" out west 🙂 I guess it's all an issue of perspective within both one's social and aviation peer group. If you're out playing exclusively with the other grammer school kids, and that's all you know...well, etc. 😉

PS: I see this garnered a "minus" vote. What was the problem?....Too honest?...Or just not enough dots?.....? 🙂

 

[Metroyet]

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