Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Portly Dorman]

Dave I agree with you on that , but everything else is way to vague and too many gray areas we all went through that with LOA93, tell us how much of an increase will the average westie will now be paying for healthcare and how much extra vacation you will be getting. Now tell us why YOU wanted to keep the meeting secret. Hope you love the 190's that scope thing was kind of important. Why did you give up the jumpseat. Tell the boys the truth about the LTD.

The Oreo was negotiating chair for 5 years, why didn't get us something better?? :huh: :huh: :huh:

 

[dca319]

I love your APA retroactive speculation. You just are clueless on the way arbitration works. That 3% is an arbitrated issue between an employer and a contracted union constituency. The arbitrators decision IS binding there. An internal union seniority proposal is absolutely non binding. The representation issues still are applicable.
If you are going to be a rep, you better get your facts straight. From what I have seen here, you have no business discussing arbitration. None.

What good are arbitrations if they're non-binding? This could bite us too.

 

[Black Swan]

I get it now. Cactus boy is a Leonidas founder. He gave the Leonidas boys bad info on the Nic too, that mistake cost 2 million plus. Ouch!

 

[Metroyet]

Well if they win YOU lose son and I bet you have a lot more years left than I do enjoy that 190.

It's passing. Courtney, given some of your life choices, I'd say a medical retirement is far more likely for you than myself. My airline doesn't operate the 190...only small regional carriers do that.

 

[Black Swan]

What good are arbitrations if they're non-binding? This could bite us too.

Dca,read what I posted. How can you make an absolutely blanket statement about arbitration like that stating they are non binding.?

 

[Black Swan]

The Oreo was negotiating chair for 5 years, why didn't get us something better?? :huh: :huh: :huh:

Maybe because your lack of how the Nic meant squat and you went on a 7 year tail chase was a huge factor.
Your cheerleader Metro contributed to the tail chase.

 

[cleardirect]

So the problem was East pilots REFUSING TO ACCEPT BINDING ARBITRATION......
Think about that statement. If it is binding, as you always state.......then why can East pilots refuse to accept it?Hope you didn't contribute to Marty, cause he don't get it either.
By the way, the MOU rates of pay are not correct. Here comes the first betrayal.

The east pilots have refused to accept a contract that would implement Nicolau. There is no vote on seniority only a contract.

The list is still binding.

 

[cactusboy53]

Dave I agree with you on that , but everything else is way to vague and too many gray areas we all went through that with LOA93, tell us how much of an increase will the average westie will now be paying for healthcare and how much extra vacation you will be getting. Now tell us why YOU wanted to keep the meeting secret. Hope you love the 190's that scope thing was kind of important. Why did you give up the jumpseat. Tell the boys the truth about the LTD.

Closed session as voted on. IMHO it's about trying to keep "personalities" out of it. Let's face it: Some that wish for the "truth" to come out have observed nothing closed, least of all their mouths.

Westie take: No improvement for vacation. Slight wage improvement. Similar contract to what we have now (generally). Yes, over the next three years we will all be brought up to pay more of the medical (I'm PPO-High @ 17% now, the MOU goes to 21% over the next four years). An East pilot on Plan 2 is now at 21.7%. He/She would go DOWN to 18% for 2013. Unless I'm incorrect, that's once again money in an East Pilot's pocket.

Will this merger go through? Who knows. Here's what we do know: If the MOU passes and the merger does take place we all get a raise. The pay difference begins effective the day of ratification. The east gets vacation improvement on the POR date. We will be an active partner at the table with APA.

If we do not ratify this MOU: ???? To be honest, this is an opportunity to be paid that we may not see in a couple of years. I really can't afford the kind of union circus that has been offered by Kamp McKleary. It has yet to monetarily benefit the majority of this pilot group.

 

[cleardirect]

Sorry . You are incorrect. One more time: tell us why the LOA 93 grievance decision was instantly binding at the ahead, and this isn't t? Why are all the other grievances binding ?

LOA 93 was a loss. usapa was trying get the company to do something other than what they were doing. Continuing to pay the current wages and not some fantasy rate.

When T/A 10 was decided that was instantly binding. the company had to maintain block hour mins.

But how long did it take for the company to pay the penalty? Over 3 years. That delay had nothing to do with the binding quality of the award. Only the implementation time.

Nicolau is still binding. It just has not been implemented yet.

Would you like there to be a time limit on awards? If the company can manage to delay a pay out long enough a grievance was won just goes away because it was delayed?

 

[cleardirect]

You dodged the question. Why is the Nicolau Award not in effect now if it was a binding arbitration?

Read the T/A. It is still binding just not implemented until we get a contract.

 

[cactusboy53]

I get it now. Cactus boy is a Leonidas founder. He gave the Leonidas boys bad info on the Nic too, that mistake cost 2 million plus. Ouch!

You JUST NOW figured that out??!!?? Geez, I don't know why people think your fellas are so thick!! Talk about hysteria.

Hey, here's a great idea: Why don't you pull out the 25+ year old articles of our former pilot's shaded past and post Ansett videos, scream about poo in the mail, and claim your wife's SSN was somehow stolen by us. Carry on, because we know you will.....

 

[cleardirect]

Yea, let's waste more money, any how the good news is the start of the recall for Hummel 🙂 🙂 !!!!!

Good luck with that.

You will only need about 1000 signatures for a vote, then you will only need about 2000 yes vote to recall him.

Do you think you have 2000 yes votes to recall the guy that finally got us a contract? Instead of Cleary and McKee that are blocking a contract.

Going to send anyone out west for our 1200 votes?

 

[Black Swan]

The east pilots have refused to accept a contract that would implement Nicolau. There is no vote on seniority only a contract.

The list is still binding.

Read the 9th decision. It gets tiring leading you back to the truth. USAPA is not bound to pass the Nic. Your only recourse is a try at harm when they don't. Even if you got harm, it doesn't include the issue of the Nic as a remedy.. Only monetary damages. That is if you win.

 

[cleardirect]

Please tell us you happy with this MOU and fully understand it, if so explain it to all of us, you are a westie I think would be more upset than us, no vacation increase, tell us how much your health care is going to up,

How is that any different than what usapa stand alone was going to get us only less money?

Plus the east trying to cram down a DOH list.

 

[Black Swan]

Read the T/A. It is still binding just not implemented until we get a contract.

Read the 9th. You have no standing for that statement. Had it been binding it would be published in an official company document. All you have officially are East and West seniority lists on Wings. Nothing more.