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Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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I don't think it is going to be all that "bumpy" of a ride. At least we won't have to be riding it out in the cheap seats. I also think that a negotiated SLI is preferable and achievable.

As I have said since my very first posts on this forum, there is no reason why pilots can not come to a mutually agreed upon and ratifiable SLI amongst themselves. It might not be a pretty or pleasant process, much like making sausage and caesarian birth, but in the end the results are worth the effort.

Why do you suppose the "agreed upon" process going forward is in effect? Could it be what resulted from the TWA and the NIC travesties? Why do you suppose that even ALPO changed their merger criteria to include LOS as a major factor and if necessary a THREE arbitrator panel in their latest "new" policy?

As far as specifically what the SLI will turn out to be, stay tuned. I will consider this merger a win for all the pilots involved, if the SLI is achieved through negotiations conducted by and for the pilots. If that turns out to be the case, I will be 100% supportive of the outcome. If it goes to arbitration, then it will be what it will be and we will all just have to live with it, like it or not. Hence my personal preference that it be a negotiated agreement. Will everybody like ANY SLI? Certainly not, but at least it will be what the pilots agree to, not what a bunch of lawyers decide to shove up our collective butts!


seajay

The NIC is only a "travesty" because it is your opinion. There was no lawyer that decided to "shove" anything. The AAA Merger committee argued how DOH was the ONLY list they would be a party to. They didn't have a "plan B". Had they been more reasonable and argued something different, you may have seen a list that was more palatable. Further, the AAA MEC communicated that DOH was a lock. The parties agreed in advance to comply with the award. There are no do-overs or crossing fingers.

Have you seen what kind of a list is generated in a mutually negotiated SLI in the recent past? Personally, I would prefer to have the case heard from an impartial party. We'll see what is proffered.

CB
 
Why do you suppose the "agreed upon" process going forward is in effect? Could it be what resulted from the TWA and the NIC travesties? Why do you suppose that even ALPO changed their merger criteria to include LOS as a major factor and if necessary a THREE arbitrator panel in their latest "new" policy?




seajay

Looking forward to an answer on that one. If George Nicolau was so respected, experienced blah, blah, then why bother with 3 guys now?
 
Congratulations! The ugly girl finally made it to the alter. USAir and USAPA RIP.

Good luck to the west in finally resolving your seniority dispute and moving on with your careers.

Good luck to the AA/TWA pilots. I hope you realize what you're up against. (Lock those 777/787 manuals away somewhere safe!)
Money walks and bull#### talks.

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Looking forward to putting you ALPA pukes out of BUSINESS.
 
The NIC is only a "travesty" because it is your opinion. There was no lawyer that decided to "shove" anything. The AAA Merger committee argued how DOH was the ONLY list they would be a party to. They didn't have a "plan B". Had they been more reasonable and argued something different, you may have seen a list that was more palatable. Further, the AAA MEC communicated that DOH was a lock. The parties agreed in advance to comply with the award. There are no do-overs or crossing fingers.

Have you seen what kind of a list is generated in a mutually negotiated SLI in the recent past? Personally, I would prefer to have the case heard from an impartial party. We'll see what is proffered.

CB
i'm sure you,Roger and John will be working extra hard (no pun intended) to suck up with the APA in the next few weeks.
 
Pursuant to this Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement (this “Memorandum”),
US Airways, Inc. and any successor (collectively, "US Airways"),
American Airlines, Inc. (“American”),
Allied Pilots Association ("APA"), and
US Airline Pilots Association ("USAPA”, and with US Airways, American, and APA, the “Parties”), hereby agree as follows:


Paragraph 4., LAST SENTENCE:

"Once the MTA has been fully implemented, it shall fully displace and render a nullity any prior collective bargaining agreements applicable to US Airways pilots and any status quo arising thereunder."

USAPA and APA are the ONLY TWO PARTIES allowed to "treat" with each other during negotiations and if unsuccessful, before the three arbitrators. AOL IS NOT A PARTY. WEST "CLASS" IS NOT A PARTY. Harper is not a party. The company is a party ONLY WITH the exceptions of 10(B).

"The company(ies) will be parties to the arbitration, if any, in accordance with McCaskill-Bond. The company(ies) shall provide information requested by the merger representatives for use in the arbitration, if any, in accordance with requirements of McCaskill-Bond, provided that the information is relevant to the issues involved in the arbitration, and the requests are reasonable and do not impose undue burden or expense, and so long as the merger representatives agree to appropriate confidentiality terms."


d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways, American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not prevent said carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10(B)(i)-(v).

So companies provide data to USAPA & APA and they construct lists each party thinks it should be. If they don't agree, then EVERYTHING STARTS OVER IN ARBITRATION.

That's what court orders are for. Your scab union is the POR away from getting sued again whereby a judge will review the last 5 years worth of your fake unions behavior. Ripeness will be buried at the POR giing rise to en entirely different cause of action. What is the LUP again? Be ready to attempt to explain that. We all know it doesent exist but go ahead. You guys have made fools out of yourselves for so long I doubt you even recognize it anymore.
 
Congratulations! The ugly girl finally made it to the alter. USAir and USAPA RIP.

Good luck to the west in finally resolving your seniority dispute and moving on with your careers.

Good luck to the AA/TWA pilots. I hope you realize what you're up against. (Lock those 777/787 manuals away somewhere safe!)

Get lost troll. At least the AA guys won't hear "Hired, not acquired" like the UA guys were so proud of saying. So glad we never merged with the marvins. I'd hate to have to ask for a ride report EVERY time I checked in.
 
That's what court orders are for. Your scab union is the POR away from getting sued again whereby a judge will review the last 5 years worth of your fake unions behavior. Ripeness will be buried at the POR giing rise to en entirely different cause of action. What is the LUP again? Be ready to attempt to explain that. We all know it doesent exist but go ahead. You guys have made fools out of yourselves for so long I doubt you even recognize it anymore.
Doubt it will even make it to the court room. (ref. 9th)
 
The NIC is only a "travesty" because it is your opinion. There was no lawyer that decided to "shove" anything. The AAA Merger committee argued how DOH was the ONLY list they would be a party to. They didn't have a "plan B". Had they been more reasonable and argued something different, you may have seen a list that was more palatable. Further, the AAA MEC communicated that DOH was a lock. The parties agreed in advance to comply with the award. There are no do-overs or crossing fingers.

Have you seen what kind of a list is generated in a mutually negotiated SLI in the recent past? Personally, I would prefer to have the case heard from an impartial party. We'll see what is proffered.

CB
Nic got made at AAA Alpa and decided to spank them with his ruling; very wrong for him to do so.
 
File the suit! Just get it over already!!! What will your lives be like without the constant diet of crap soup?
 
Nic got made at AAA Alpa and decided to spank them with his ruling; very wrong for him to do so.

So you are accusing a respected senior arbitrator of some sort action against the US Air pilots for some nefarious reason? Wow.

Have you ever read the Nicolau Award entirely, or was it all you could do to hold it together until the CIRP arrived?

Audience: Is NGU making salient , legal points? Or is his hair on fire?
 
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