Delta Labor Relations thread.

[townpete]

Damn that sounds like a deal. Only an iam goon could come up with that argument.Pay money so you can't vote so you can get a tax deduction. For something you don't want in the first place. By the way why don't you add the date for all those pictures you post. There probably from last year ... But I'll ask chris I see him in the picture when it was.

Exactly,! Funny how he dances around that subject like a bed of hot coals.

But, but, but....

 

[700UW]

Exactly,! Funny how he dances around that subject like a bed of hot coals.

But, but, but....

Another low information poster.
 
If you dont like the facts and reality, educate yourself, what I posted is 100% factual.
 
But you wouldnt know about things with unions since you are not in one and never have.

 

[townpete]

Another low information poster.
 
If you dont like the facts and reality, educate yourself, what I posted is 100% factual.
 
But you wouldnt know about things with unions since you are not in one and never have.

And God willing, never be in one either.

BTW thanks for reinforcing the facts that it's nearly impossible to get out of a (roach motel) Union then into one. If where as easy to get out as to get in then I would have maybe gave it a second thought over the years. But the way it is, no thanks. No wonder unions are dying on the vine.

And that lame comparison you all like to compare to contracts in real life...at least after two years with my cell phone contract I can get out after two years.

At least with my mortgage contract I can get out by refinancing or paying off.

With a union, history has shown once they are in it's like a cancer.

 

[700UW]

The airlines are one of the highest unionized industries in America.

 

[Kev3188]

And God willing, never be in one either.

He doesn't have a say; its up to you and your coworkers...

 

[700UW]

He or she doesn't realize those pilots that keep them safe are unionized as are most first responders

 

[Kev3188]

As are the dispatchers...

 

[townpete]

He or she doesn't realize those pilots that keep them safe are unionized as are most first responders

And your point being?

Try as you might IAM is not the pilots union. Nor will it ever be.

The pilots union are the people staying at the Ritz Carlton.

IAM are the cockroach's out back in the alley crawling under the garbage bins.

 

[WeAAsles]

And God willing, never be in one either.

BTW thanks for reinforcing the facts that it's nearly impossible to get out of a (roach motel) Union then into one. If where as easy to get out as to get in then I would have maybe gave it a second thought over the years. But the way it is, no thanks. No wonder unions are dying on the vine.

And that lame comparison you all like to compare to contracts in real life...at least after two years with my cell phone contract I can get out after two years.

At least with my mortgage contract I can get out by refinancing or paying off.

With a union, history has shown once they are in it's like a cancer.

Here's the reality. Of course you are never going to be pro Union since you already benefit from Unionism in our Industry without having to put in a dime to support it. Do you really believe you would be making what you do if Union contracts hadn't brought up wages and benefits through years of collective bargaining before any of us on this thread were even a thought in life? Your wages and benefits exist as they are because others brought up the bar for you. If Unions were outlawed as they were under Nazi Germany what do you think would happen? As an FA you are in a non skilled profession. All your training is taught on the job. And your main function really is to make sure people are seated and serve drinks. If you want to speak about your medical training for the most part that's a farce. It's a skill you will rarely to almost never use and Paramedics who really save lives make far less than what you do. AND you have to go to school to become one.

Anyway as long as you remain employed at Delta and they compensate you well there is no reason for you to ever change your mindset. If one day though you were ever let go or fired (Right to work State gives you zero protection) Slowly your mind would change. First of course you would go through the internal process to try to vindicate yourself which has a deck very much stacked against you because more than likely your termination was a meeting between multiple members of management. So your efforts would be for nothing. Then as you're sitting on your couch wondering what you're going to do now to earn money and pay your bills, you're going to think about these conversations. You're going to say "If I had a Union and a contract this wouldn't have happened" I would still have my job or had the chance to come back to my job. "Why didn't I agree to do something to protect my job? Why did this happen to me?"

BTW your Company does love you though and will always take care of you. Keep believing that. You're a name. Not just an employee number on a Corporate spread sheet. Not a part number that maybe one day will be more expensive than your Company cares to pay for.

 

[700UW]

And your point being?
Try as you might IAM is not the pilots union. Nor will it ever be.
The pilots union are the people staying at the Ritz Carlton.
IAM are the cockroach's out back in the alley crawling under the garbage bins.

The IAM is the largest airline union representing over 100,000 in the airline industry.

You being non-union at DL is not the industry norm.

And you can send your thank you for the 14.5% raise the IAM got you to Upper Marlboro,MD.

 

[Kev3188]

Exactly...

 

[townpete]

Here's the reality. Of course you are never going to be pro Union since you already benefit from Unionism in our Industry without having to put in a dime to support it. Do you really believe you would be making what you do if Union contracts hadn't brought up wages and benefits through years of collective bargaining before any of us on this thread were even a thought in life? Your wages and benefits exist as they are because others brought up the bar for you. If Unions were outlawed as they were under Nazi Germany what do you think would happen? As an FA you are in a non skilled profession. All your training is taught on the job. And your main function really is to make sure people are seated and serve drinks. If you want to speak about your medical training for the most part that's a farce. It's a skill you will rarely to almost never use and Paramedics who really save lives make far less than what you do. AND you have to go to school to become one.
Anyway as long as you remain employed at Delta and they compensate you well there is no reason for you to ever change your mindset. If one day though you were ever let go or fired (Right to work State gives you zero protection) Slowly your mind would change. First of course you would go through the internal process to try to vindicate yourself which has a deck very much stacked against you because more than likely your termination was a meeting between multiple members of management. So your efforts would be for nothing. Then as you're sitting on your couch wondering what you're going to do now to earn money and pay your bills, you're going to think about these conversations. You're going to say "If I had a Union and a contract this wouldn't have happened" I would still have my job or had the chance to come back to my job. "Why didn't I agree to do something to protect my job? Why did this happen to me?"
BTW your Company does love you though and will always take care of you. Keep believing that. You're a name. Not just an employee number on a Corporate spread sheet. Not a part number that maybe one day will be more expensive than your Company cares to pay for.

Again, after 18 years you make it seem like I haven't heard all this stomach turning drivel before. Save it for someone who gives a rip. The more you and 700 and the others wave your Pom poms the more resolute I am of never to be apart of them.

 

[townpete]

The IAM is the largest airline union representing over 100,000 in the airline industry.
You being non-union at DL is not the industry norm.
And you can send your thank you for the 14.5% raise the IAM got you to Upper Marlboro,MD.

Spare me your garbage.

 

[700UW]

Again, after 18 years you make it seem like I haven't heard all this stomach turning drivel before. Save it for someone who gives a rip. The more you and 700 and the others wave your Pom poms the more resolute I am of never to be apart of them.

No one cares about if you want a union or not.
 
The message goes out to the people that are middle of the road and undecided.
 
But since you have never been in a union nor been in the IAM, you speak of things you have no clue about.
 
Here is what ALPA did for one of your FAs got fired and no one would listen to her.
 

But serious questions about validity testing, which is now optional, at the employer's discretion, were raised in September after Delta Air Lines agreed to reinstate four flight attendants and a pilot whom it fired last year for failing validity tests. Delta had maintained that the tests were accurate, and the four flight attendants, though insisting that they had not tampered with their specimens, had been unable to challenge the airline's decision.
 
But after the pilot appealed the Federal Aviation Administration's revocation of his license, it was discovered that the laboratory that had performed the tests had not followed government testing standards and, in a subsequent cover-up of that failure, had falsified evidence.
 
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/15/us/workers-get-greater-drug-test-protection.html
 
 

Yasuko Ishikawa, one of the four Delta flight attendants who lost their jobs, weighed 90 pounds, rarely ate meat and, on the day she was tested last year, drank about three quarts of water to avoid dehydration during a nine-hour flight from Japan. A few days later she was told that her sample had been ''substituted,'' and within weeks, Delta had fired her for submitting a false specimen.
 
''I was just in total shock,'' said Ms. Ishikawa, who immigrated from Japan in 1991 and vehemently denies ever using drugs or altering her specimen. ''I couldn't understand what was going on.''
 
 
 
 
 

And yes DALPA helped her out and she got her job back due to them.

 

[700UW]

Spare me your garbage.

What I posted is 100% accurate, unlike you, the only garbage is what you post.