Democracy

[Ken MacTiernan]

Because I picture you as a common coward and a liar, normal makeup of an amfa supporter.

And obviously you have not read the two constitutions..the TWU's or AMFA's...read up and give me your undaunted opinion.

Now this is rich! How is it that I am a liar? Where have I lied? If the truth is a lie maybe. Let's see, I have stated that twu international officers are NOT voted into office by the full twu membership. Truth #1. I have stated that the twu cares more about dues collection than protecting jobs done by AMTs. Ramp does jobs done by AMTs as well as SRPs doing jobs done by AMTs. Truth #2. The twu controls the contract and not the membership; as proven in court. Truth #3. The twu allowed insourcing with the osm plan. Forcing other airlines to follow in eroding our profession. Truth #4. The twu belongs to the afl-cio yet the all powerful afl-cio does not and can not protect the interests of the AMT. The twu's sister union, iam, allowed US aircraft to go over seas first and did not fight it. Truth #5. The list goes on but since you are afraid to answer the original question of this thread I will let you ponder these truths.

How is it I am a coward? Your twisted reality of reasoning should be a hoot to read.

As for reading the two constitutions... the twu's & AMFA's... I have but unlike you I was able to "comprehend" what I read. The AMFA constitution is structured where the membership is the union and the membership elects all officials. The AMFA is a craft union that wants to protect & promote the AMT profession. Truth & fact! The twu constitution does NOT state that all officials are elected by the membership nor that the membership is the union. The twu is an industrial union that does not care about who performs what job as long as they pay dues to the shrine of the bus. 100% truth & fact!

Now, keep coming to this thread and ignore the question. I expect it. Why? Because I picture you as someone who is afraid of actually being firm enough in his/her beliefs by stating their name when posting. The epitomy of a twu supporter!

 

[Drippy Quill]

Hey Ken...shuddup...no one's listening to your Owen's interpretation...HAHAHA!!!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Hey Ken...shuddup...no one's listening to your Owen's interpretation...HAHAHA!!!

[post="196900"][/post]​

Still no answer? Come on drip. Throw some more slander. It is befitting your alias using cowardice. 😛h34r: 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

 

[Drippy Quill]

Slander?...get real you wannabe a leader of a cause reject...now..back in your closet.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Slander?...get real you wannabe a leader of a cause reject...now..back in your closet.

[post="196944"][/post]​

November 1st, 2004 and still no answer on why twu international officers are appointed and not elected.

November 1st, 2004 and the twu swallowed concessions that were to save jobs is about to be seen as the lie it was when MCI & STL and system layoffs hit this month. Exactly how many jobs did the twu save?

November 1st, 2004 and still no answer to the twu's atd unelected leader jim little's demand of proof of shared sacrifice on the part of management.

And drip, yes "slander". Everytime you post you show proof of your fear and cowardice by making personal attacks and attempting to support the twu by hiding from behind an alias. If you vote tomorrow do you show your ID with your real name or that of the coward drippy quill?

 

[Bob Owens]

November 1st, 2004 and still no answer on why twu international officers are appointed and not elected.

November 1st, 2004 and the twu swallowed concessions that were to save jobs is about to be seen as the lie it was when MCI & STL and system layoffs hit this month. Exactly how many jobs did the twu save?

[post="197055"][/post]​

If you recall one of the things brought up at the concessions gauntlet was to reduce headcount to meet the desired savings. The International and the company told the Local representatives that they could meet the number however they chose, and that was their first choice. However the company then said "NO, we cant run our operation if we cut that many heads" Can anyone recall the figures of how many jobs would have been eliminated to meet that figure? How does that figure compare to the amount of jobs that have been eliminated despite the concessions? My guess is that our present headcount is fairly close to that figure. So in other words the company could run without them, they just wanted to cut our pay and then eliminate the jobs. We gave them both, and our union, the TWU, was in on the whole scam.

 

[Nightwatch]

I have a hard time believing the TWU would be in a scam with the company to harm the TWU members. I do believe this, that the fuel crisis played into the role of the company to get rid of TWA employees, as they did the stews and most pilots.

 

[Bob Owens]

I have a hard time believing the TWU would be in a scam with the company to harm the TWU members. I do believe this, that the fuel crisis played into the role of the company to get rid of TWA employees, as they did the stews and most pilots.

[post="197282"][/post]​

I dont believe that the intent was to harm the members, it was just the price to be paid in order for the TWU to get what it wanted-more members.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

drippy and the twu supporters still can not answer this simple question. Why? What are they afraid of? The truth? 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

 

[Nightwatch]

I'm afraid of my wife.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I'm afraid of my wife.

[post="197657"][/post]​

Still doesn't answer the main question.

 

[Nightwatch]

Ken, if that's your real name and not a cowardly, communistic, ploy to confuse the good readers of this forum, I suppose the answer to your question would be a real simple one. When the TWU constitution was put to paper, and the guidelines set in place, reasonable men of the times did not realize that in the year 2004 that the savior of the airline industry,one Ken McTiernan, would be questioning their intent. The TWU's constitution has weathered the trials of time, yet even as I type, change is being discussed, weren't you asked for your flawless input?

Better yet Ken, you tell me, how is it that MAG is allowed to negotiate AMFA's contracts and sign off on those same contracts while not being a member of AMFA? I see the need for admin, but I do not agree with my secretary negotiating for my mechanics and related. Now if you see no fault in this I fully understand, after all.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, if that's your real name and not a cowardly, communistic, ploy to confuse the good readers of this forum, I suppose the answer to your question would be a real simple one. When the TWU constitution was put to paper, and the guidelines set in place, reasonable men of the times did not realize that in the year 2004 that the savior of the airline industry,one Ken McTiernan, would be questioning their intent. The TWU's constitution has weathered the trials of time, yet even as I type, change is being discussed, weren't you asked for your flawless input?

Better yet Ken, you tell me, how is it that MAG is allowed to negotiate AMFA's contracts and sign off on those same contracts while not being a member of AMFA? I see the need for admin, but I do not agree with my secretary negotiating for my mechanics and related. Now if you see no fault in this I fully understand, after all.

[post="197727"][/post]​

nw, again you show your lack of intelligence. I never claimed to be the savior of the airlines. I asked a simple question that you and all twu supporters are afraid of answering.

WHY ARE twu INTERNATIONAL OFFICERS NOT ELECTED BY THE FULL MEMBERSHIP? The twu's constitution has not weathered any storm because the twu is not about weathering storms but rather solidifying their strangle hold on dues. Period! If the twu attempted to face any storm they would surely sink, but not after the rats had jumped ship.

The twu constitution is being discussed for change? That's a laugh. Yea, "Change From Within." 😛h34r:

 

[Nightwatch]

nw, again you show your lack of intelligence. I never claimed to be the savior of the airlines. I asked a simple question that you and all twu supporters are afraid of answering.

WHY ARE twu INTERNATIONAL OFFICERS NOT ELECTED BY THE FULL MEMBERSHIP? The twu's constitution has not weathered any storm because the twu is not about weathering storms but rather solidifying their strangle hold on dues. Period! If the twu attempted to face any storm they would surely sink, but not after the rats had jumped ship.

The twu constitution is being discussed for change? That's a laugh. Yea, "Change From Within." 😛h34r:

[post="198088"][/post]​

My lack of intelligence points to the fact that no matter which TWU supporter would answer you or regardless of the answer you'd receive you would reply just as you had. In stating that, I see no need to reply any further to your senseless ramblings, you receive but one chance to respond in an intelligent manner, and you blew it.

Also, I see by your lack of response on the MAG issue, I questioned ,you are to much of a coward to attempt to answer, typical of spineless seeds.

Now, go Google yourself again and see that you do think you are the savior of my profession. God help us all if you're the best to step forward.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

My lack of intelligence points to the fact that no matter which TWU supporter would answer you or regardless of the answer you'd receive you would reply just as you had. In stating that, I see no need to reply any further to your senseless ramblings, you receive but one chance to respond in an intelligent manner, and you blew it.

Also, I see by your lack of response on the MAG issue, I questioned ,you are to much of a coward to attempt to answer, typical of spineless seeds.

Now, go Google yourself again and see that you do think you are the savior of my profession. God help us all if you're the best to step forward.

[post="198128"][/post]​

Yawn, nice spin. The twu can not answer why the membership can't vote on all international officer positions.

The twu... a union that fights against their membership because it is easier than fighting for their membership. 😛h34r: