Democracy

[Bob Owens]

My lack of intelligence points to the fact that no matter which TWU supporter would answer you or regardless of the answer you'd receive you would reply just as you had. In stating that, I see no need to reply any further to your senseless ramblings, you receive but one chance to respond in an intelligent manner, and you blew it.

So your answer is to not answer because if you did answer the answer to that would be the same?


Also, I see by your lack of response on the MAG issue, I questioned ,you are to much of a coward to attempt to answer, typical of spineless seeds.

That question has been answered many times before. The fact that AMFA uses MAGs assistance to negotiate contracts is a plus, do they own the contract? NO!Instead of taking a mechanic or baggage handler with no legal training and having him against the company's lawyers and other highly educated and informed people AMFA hired MAG to assist. They "sign off"-your term, on it in the same capacity as our negotiating committee-as witnesses. Just as we, the members and all the locals are not party to our contract, to an even lesser extent does MAG have any say, despite signing as a witness.

Why would the hiring of professionals who can be held accountable be less desirable than having someone whose credentails include driving a school bus or working as a mechanic or a fleet service clerk appoint someone who is not accountable to be in charge of your contract? Could it be that you are one of those workers who see the union as an escape from the floor without the risk of going into management? And that such a trend would lessen the opportunity to make such an escape?

Now, go Google yourself again and see that you do think you are the savior of my profession. God help us all if you're the best to step forward.

Well we know that you will not be the one to step forward.

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[Ken MacTiernan]

No twu supporter can answer the question of why twu international officer positions are not voted on by the full membership.

Hey, nw, cio ask little and yingst and gless for the answer.

The twu... where we APPOINT those who are willing to do as they are told by the union and not by the membership. 😛h34r:

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

No twu supporter can answer the question of why twu international officer positions are not voted on by the full membership.

Hey, nw, cio ask little and yingst and gless for the answer.

The twu... where we APPOINT those who are willing to do as they are told by the union and not by the membership. 😛h34r:

[post="199102"][/post]​

The twu can't answer one simple question?

The twu... an organization that fears the truth.

 

[Nightwatch]

AMFA..an organization that hides the truth.

 

[local 12 proud]

AMFA..an organization that hides the truth.

[post="199845"][/post]​

Nightwatch a kremlin koolaid drinker who fears the truth.

 

[Nightwatch]

I don't fear the truth local 12, I see the truth. I see AMFA's prowness at UAL, same song, different band. You may hate the TWU, but you'd learn to hate AMFA also, AMFA is relatively new, their horror stories are only beginning to unravel.

Our profession is in serious trouble of being forever outsourced to 3rd party vendors, and all we can do is bark about who's union is better for us. WHAT A JOKE WE ALL ARE!

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't fear the truth local 12, I see the truth. I see AMFA's prowness at UAL, same song, different band. You may hate the TWU, but you'd learn to hate AMFA also, AMFA is relatively new, their horror stories are only beginning to unravel.

Our profession is in serious trouble of being forever outsourced to 3rd party vendors, and all we can do is bark about who's union is better for us. WHAT A JOKE WE ALL ARE!

[post="199880"][/post]​

Our profession you say. And what makes you think that the Transport Workers Union could care less about our profession going down the tubes?

What makes you think that the IAM, or the Teamster care either?

Now doesnt it just make sense that the best thing for mechanics to do in order to save the profession is to join together with all the other mechanics into one union that is focused on mechanics? In fact wouldnt it make sense for all airline workers to get into unions or a union that is primarily focused on what is going on in this once proud industry?

Have you read any of the stuff coming out of the SEIU lately? Looks like someone is finally making a move. If you dont want to support AMFA fine, but do you really see any future with a union like the TWU where ATD Directors dont even know the rules they are supposed to enforce or International reps that cant even define what an Industrial union is?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I don't fear the truth local 12, I see the truth. I see AMFA's prowness at UAL, same song, different band. You may hate the TWU, but you'd learn to hate AMFA also, AMFA is relatively new, their horror stories are only beginning to unravel.

Our profession is in serious trouble of being forever outsourced to 3rd party vendors, and all we can do is bark about who's union is better for us. WHAT A JOKE WE ALL ARE!

[post="199880"][/post]​

coward, nw, you are correct that our profession is in serious trouble. AMFA supporters are not barking. AMFA supporters are fighting. Why can't you and your other alias using twu supporters get it through your skulls that industrial unions AND the afl-cio allowed the first US registered aircraft to go overseas. It was the twu that lowered our wage & benefits with allowing jobs done by AMTs to be done by ramp. You support an organization that cares about dues and dues only.

The twu... a union that accepts concessions to save jobs. Only to have these jobs lost to layoffs!

The twu... an organization supported only by alias using officials. 😛h34r:

 

[Nightwatch]

You mean while Delle was operating out of the trunk of his car other unions were sending work overseas? Ken, please print/copy proof of any union soliciting work to be done by 3rd party vendors vs. their own shops. You lie/deceive on purpose or are you that ignorant and easily led.

You need to give AMFA a chance, they will and are proving to be nothing more than a new/different union, ineffective in negotiations and leadership. AMFA supporters are fighting who? AMFA members? I do understand your obvious embarrassment Ken, if I wanted AMFA and see AMFA's short comings daily, I'd throw the attention to another union as often as I could, great job!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

You mean while Delle was operating out of the trunk of his car other unions were sending work overseas? Ken, please print/copy proof of any union soliciting work to be done by 3rd party vendors vs. their own shops. You lie/deceive on purpose or are you that ignorant and easily led.

You need to give AMFA a chance, they will and are proving to be nothing more than a new/different union, ineffective in negotiations and leadership. AMFA supporters are fighting who? AMFA members? I do understand your obvious embarrassment Ken, if I wanted AMFA and see AMFA's short comings daily, I'd throw the attention to another union as often as I could, great job!

[post="199971"][/post]​

nw, coward, you truely are illiterate. I never said that unions SOLICITED work to be done by third party vendors vs. their own shops. I said that industrial unions in the airlines ALLOWED this work to go to third party vendors. I sure hope you don't need to read Maintenance Manuals or read IPCs. Because with your lack of intelligence in reading AND comprehending what is posted on this web site I would seriously doubt the level of your ability to repair an aircraft.

The only lies/deceipt is created by the twu and iam. Oh, and of course twu supporters not man enough to state their names when posting these lies and deceipt.

The twu... where we fight against our membership and collect dues for doing it. 😛h34r:

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: T6
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Station: To: Recovering AMFA-holic
Date: Friday November 12, 2004
Time: 10:16:27 AM


Comments
You're mixed up brother, we're not all in this together. You see, I never wanted AMFA! I am not my own biggest enemy, dumb asses like you and others who voted for AMFA are the enemy! You were stupid then and it probably hasn't nor will be the last time you're stupid. I don't trust you or any other AMFAHOLIC. You ruined what those before you had built, and you listened to pied pipers like Jim Young, Steve MacFarlane, Bob Moss, Patty Ross, Ron Moore...etc. etc.. You made more than a mistake, you DESTROYED FOREVER our jobs at NWA. Look in the mirror, if you voted for AMFA.......IT'S YOUR FAULT!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

nw, coward, you truely are illiterate. I never said that unions SOLICITED work to be done by third party vendors vs. their own shops. I said that industrial unions in the airlines ALLOWED this work to go to third party vendors. I sure hope you don't need to read Maintenance Manuals or read IPCs. Because with your lack of intelligence in reading AND comprehending what is posted on this web site I would seriously doubt the level of your ability to repair an aircraft.

The only lies/deceipt is created by the twu and iam. Oh, and of course twu supporters not man enough to state their names when posting these lies and deceipt.

The twu... where we fight against our membership and collect dues for doing it. 😛h34r:

[post="200252"][/post]​

nw, coward, it makes you and all the other twu supporters look extremely ignorant when you can't answer the question put forth.

Why are twu international officer positions appointed and not elected by the full membership? 😛h34r:

 

[local 12 proud]

nw, coward, it makes you and all the other twu supporters look extremely ignorant when you can't answer the question put forth.

Why are twu international officer positions appointed and not elected by the full membership? 😛h34r:

[post="201382"][/post]​

Ken you will never get a satisfactory answer from these TWU loyalist pertaining to this question! the reason being is that would mean ADMISSION to a flawed system which is ran more like a socialist dictatorship than a Democracy.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken you will never get a satisfactory answer from these TWU loyalist pertaining to this question! the reason being is that would mean ADMISSION to a flawed system which is ran more like a socialist dictatorship than a Democracy.

[post="201403"][/post]​

EXACTLY!

The twu is a socialistic dictatorship that cares about only one thing. And that is NOT the proud craft & profession of the AMT.

 

[Bob Owens]

EXACTLY!

The twu is a socialistic dictatorship that cares about only one thing. And that is NOT the proud craft & profession of the AMT.

[post="201472"][/post]​

While they might be a dictatorship, they are hardly "Socialistic". If they were then they would fight for benifits, pay and pensions instead of selling them out in the hopes of increasing dues revenue.

Fascist dictatorship is a more accurate description of what the TWU is. Under that ideology the people should be willing to sacrifice for the good of the state, and those who ran it. Thats what the TWU is all about, sacrificing wages and benifits of the members while those at the top give themselves raises.