East vs. West

[HPearlyretiree]

All I ever hear from the East is :"don't you know how much we suffered?" and "take care of us" and "we deserve......"

Well, too freaking bad, its a job, you can leave at any time if you don't like it.

At AWA, we had lots of problems, but we never felt that our job was entitled to us. Maybe that is a reflection of geography and the lack of the union mentality in a very low union state.

Here is the deal, its a job. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't let a job define your life. If you are unhappy with your job, move on, if you are unhappy with your life or spouse, move on. But don't speak for others that may be happy with their job or life.

Mergers suck, we at AWA lost our identity, our esprit de corp, our fighting advantage we all gained by proving so many experts wrong who counted us out over and over since 1983. We aren't all that happy that we got saddled with a long time underperforming airline that had a serious culture and attitude problem and militant, unhappy unions. I know you had sucky managment, I know that life sucked for the East. But, without the merger, you would have no job, and that would really sucked.

So, everyone, just suck it up and focus on the future. If you don't want to, and want to just whine about the past, then leave, honestly, you will more happy in another line of work, leaving a bad situation is a very liberating thing. If you aren't ready to leave for another position, go out and get the training you need for a new career, the opportunities are out there, but they are of no good unless you persue them.

Plenty of folk want to work for the airlines, they will gladly step in and work your jobs, if you are unhappy, and can't feel that you can effect a change, just leave, there are all kinds of high paying jobs out there.

I've seen more cohorts of mine leave the company after the merger, they are sick and tired of negativity that has infected the airline since the merger from the easties.

Too bad, they are the folk that built AWA, they are battle tested and good people, but they are just sick of the fact that the AWA "Can Do" culture has been replaced by the entitlement culture of the East.


//rant off, I don't care what you think, that is my opinion.

 

[cactusflyer]

All I ever hear from the East is :"don't you know how much we suffered?" and "take care of us" and "we deserve......"

Well, too freaking bad, its a job, you can leave at any time if you don't like it.

At AWA, we had lots of problems, but we never felt that our job was entitled to us. Maybe that is a reflection of geography and the lack of the union mentality in a very low union state.

Here is the deal, its a job. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't let a job define your life. If you are unhappy with your job, move on, if you are unhappy with your life or spouse, move on. But don't speak for others that may be happy with their job or life.

Mergers suck, we at AWA lost our identity, our esprit de corp, our fighting advantage we all gained by proving so many experts wrong who counted us out over and over since 1983. We aren't all that happy that we got saddled with a long time underperforming airline that had a serious culture and attitude problem and militant, unhappy unions. I know you had sucky managment, I know that life sucked for the East. But, without the merger, you would have no job, and that would really sucked.

So, everyone, just suck it up and focus on the future. If you don't want to, and want to just whine about the past, then leave, honestly, you will more happy in another line of work, leaving a bad situation is a very liberating thing. If you aren't ready to leave for another position, go out and get the training you need for a new career, the opportunities are out there, but they are of no good unless you persue them.

Plenty of folk want to work for the airlines, they will gladly step in and work your jobs, if you are unhappy, and can't feel that you can effect a change, just leave, there are all kinds of high paying jobs out there.

I've seen more cohorts of mine leave the company after the merger, they are sick and tired of negativity that has infected the airline since the merger from the easties.


Too bad, they are the folk that built AWA, they are battle tested and good people, but they are just sick of the fact that the AWA "Can Do" culture has been replaced by the entitlement culture of the East.
//rant off, I don't care what you think, that is my opinion.

What and the east isn't battle tested? I mean really, do you even know how many bankruptcies they have been through? Can you name even one of the many CEO's that have jacked them around? Jeez...I think they probably wrote the book on being battle tested. I'm not one to run to the east's defense mainly because they are better at defending themselves, but c'mon they have a right to complain. We all do. This industry we have choosen to make our career is not for the faint at heart. Just like we b***h about our past, they have a right to b***h about theirs.

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't drag the rest of the west with you. Inflamatory posts such as yours only serve to benefit the management of this airline by further divinding a group that is already fractured.

You'll have to excuse me while I go get some popcorn. I have a feeling this is all going to get really good once the easties see your post. 😱 :jerry:

 

[BuffaloJoe]

All I ever hear from the East is :"don't you know how much we suffered?" and "take care of us" and "we deserve......"

Well, too freaking bad, its a job, you can leave at any time if you don't like it.

At AWA, we had lots of problems, but we never felt that our job was entitled to us. Maybe that is a reflection of geography and the lack of the union mentality in a very low union state.

Here is the deal, its a job. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't let a job define your life. If you are unhappy with your job, move on, if you are unhappy with your life or spouse, move on. But don't speak for others that may be happy with their job or life.

Mergers suck, we at AWA lost our identity, our esprit de corp, our fighting advantage we all gained by proving so many experts wrong who counted us out over and over since 1983. We aren't all that happy that we got saddled with a long time underperforming airline that had a serious culture and attitude problem and militant, unhappy unions. I know you had sucky managment, I know that life sucked for the East. But, without the merger, you would have no job, and that would really sucked.

So, everyone, just suck it up and focus on the future. If you don't want to, and want to just whine about the past, then leave, honestly, you will more happy in another line of work, leaving a bad situation is a very liberating thing. If you aren't ready to leave for another position, go out and get the training you need for a new career, the opportunities are out there, but they are of no good unless you persue them.

Plenty of folk want to work for the airlines, they will gladly step in and work your jobs, if you are unhappy, and can't feel that you can effect a change, just leave, there are all kinds of high paying jobs out there.

I've seen more cohorts of mine leave the company after the merger, they are sick and tired of negativity that has infected the airline since the merger from the easties.

Too bad, they are the folk that built AWA, they are battle tested and good people, but they are just sick of the fact that the AWA "Can Do" culture has been replaced by the entitlement culture of the East.
//rant off, I don't care what you think, that is my opinion.

As a FF when the merger happened I thought it would be great. But now 18 months later, Tempe has NO clue what to do. They can care less about the FF. They want to attract the $49 fare people. As a FF, I personally rarely have more than 2 days notice before I fly, so I am buying Regular Coach Fares. My average travel is about 150,000 miles a year. I spent $37,000 last year alone on flights. Tempe is turning this into a "Trailer-Trash Airlines". Even Southwest Airlines offers more, and they have more legroom in coach. I generally do not ask for upgrades to FC, which I probably entitled to, but thats my perogative. Don't hold your chin up too high, HP was always at the bottom. Oh yes number one in complaints. And which was nearly shut down by the FAA? HP. Who made a profit last year for US Airways? The East. Why? Cause the East employees keep getting their wages cut. DoUgIe Parker and his clowns are doing nothing but driving customers away. They can not admit their own mistakes. The problems with SHARES cutover they pushed the blame on the employees. Is that good management?

What the EMPLOYEES need to do is UNITE against the Current Management. Try to keep their Business Traveling Customers, not the $49 fares. For what I pay for some flights, I should have 10-15 Seats.

 

[freedom]

All I ever hear from the East is :"don't you know how much we suffered?" and "take care of us" and "we deserve......"

Well, too freaking bad, its a job, you can leave at any time if you don't like it.

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At AWA, we had lots of problems, but we never felt that our job was entitled to us. Maybe that is a reflection of geography and the lack of the union mentality in a very low union state.

What the hell are you talking about? leave? what, are you working for HQ ?, anyone who has worked for AWA for some time knows that's EXACTLY what they want you to do if you've worked there for more than 2 years ... that way they can replace you with a cheaper worker...

MOST of us like our jobs , we just don't like the lousy pay , and for years at AWA we've been working on that . i intend to make MY job one that i can be proud to tell people i do .I think the guys in the east have the right to #### after going throu TWO BK's.

 

[Squonk]

:down:

Dude, you see a few negative posts taken out of context and you are ready to write off the entire US East workforce. Together we are 37,000 strong, we use to be 44,000 strong as a stand alone carrier with 465 aircraft. So the heritage roots run very deep here in the east. We have been around since All American Aviation days. Operationally we ran a great airline and have many loyal customers both on and off this board who will attest to that. We have been ransacked and pilaged to the nth degree. You are darn tootin there are a lot of disgruntled "easties"! That being said, we are survivors with or without you. We also know that there are a lot of "westies" that don't think like you do. Perhaps you ate too much peyote or woke up on the wrong side of the cactus. We more than you, understand the concept of a merger and what it takes to blend cultures. Quiturbitchin and get off the Koolaid. You may have lost your identity, but you have gained a major player as a partner. Together we survive, divided we both would have perished.

B)

 

[700UW]

he is not even an employee anymore he is a retiree, has not lost anything.

 

[REACC1]

He wants Lame Concieted Carrier to survive for his own bennies.
What'd he put in, 6 years or something? Big deal.
hpearlyretiree,
Think for a minute, I know you got a lot of time on your hands lately, but do you really think that the employees of "the east" are upset for no reason. Yes, it is selfish. They are desparate for:

a)their company to thrive.
b)to, once again be proud of the company they work for.
c)have the captains of this ship make better decisions. (so very tired of seeing stupidity at such a high and prosperous level.
d) have a conciencious managment that understands their work force. (unless the suck ups have them delusioned into thinking all is well)(er, it is not...well) Expectations are a two way thing. I work for you, you work for me. Every one is happy if successful. TEAMWORK. We on the east have seen one way for far too long, and it doesn't seem to be any different, here, at this juncture.

 

[luvn737s]

All I ever hear from the East is :"don't you know how much we suffered?" and "take care of us" and "we deserve......"

Well, too freaking bad, its a job, you can leave at any time if you don't like it.

At AWA, we had lots of problems, but we never felt that our job was entitled to us. Maybe that is a reflection of geography and the lack of the union mentality in a very low union state.

Here is the deal, its a job. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't let a job define your life. If you are unhappy with your job, move on, if you are unhappy with your life or spouse, move on. But don't speak for others that may be happy with their job or life.

Mergers suck, we at AWA lost our identity, our esprit de corp, our fighting advantage we all gained by proving so many experts wrong who counted us out over and over since 1983. We aren't all that happy that we got saddled with a long time underperforming airline that had a serious culture and attitude problem and militant, unhappy unions. I know you had sucky managment, I know that life sucked for the East. But, without the merger, you would have no job, and that would really sucked.

So, everyone, just suck it up and focus on the future. If you don't want to, and want to just whine about the past, then leave, honestly, you will more happy in another line of work, leaving a bad situation is a very liberating thing. If you aren't ready to leave for another position, go out and get the training you need for a new career, the opportunities are out there, but they are of no good unless you persue them.

Plenty of folk want to work for the airlines, they will gladly step in and work your jobs, if you are unhappy, and can't feel that you can effect a change, just leave, there are all kinds of high paying jobs out there.

I've seen more cohorts of mine leave the company after the merger, they are sick and tired of negativity that has infected the airline since the merger from the easties.

Too bad, they are the folk that built AWA, they are battle tested and good people, but they are just sick of the fact that the AWA "Can Do" culture has been replaced by the entitlement culture of the East.
//rant off, I don't care what you think, that is my opinion.

Summarized perfectly. There is nothing to add.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

I've seen more cohorts of mine leave the company after the merger, they are sick and tired of negativity that has infected the airline since the merger from the easties.

Too bad, they are the folk that built AWA, they are battle tested and good people, but they are just sick of the fact that the AWA "Can Do" culture has been replaced by the entitlement culture of the East.

your "cohorts" apparently aren't that strong. or determined. or, indeed, "battle tested". jumping ship over negativity, seems...weak.
is this the best we can hope for from the west? i HOPE so!!
DoUgIe, it's time to jump!!

 

[700UW]

Entitled attitude?

Guess you have no clue of what East employees have done to save this company.

Back in 1992 everyone took concessions to keep the place in business.

Through two bankruptcies employees took three rounds of concessions and the loss of pensions and many jobs to keep the company in business.

I could keep going on and on, but you have no idea of what you speak about and your name says is all, RETIREE, you have no cohorts out there, you are gone.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

He wants Lame Concieted Carrier to survive for his own bennies.
What'd he put in, 6 years or something? Big deal.
hpearlyretiree,
Think for a minute, I know you got a lot of time on your hands lately, but do you really think that the employees of "the east" are upset for no reason. Yes, it is selfish. They are desparate for:

a)their company to thrive.
b)to, once again be proud of the company they work for.
c)have the captains of this ship make better decisions. (so very tired of seeing stupidity at such a high and prosperous level.
d) have a conciencious managment that understands their work force. (unless the suck ups have them delusioned into thinking all is well)(er, it is not...well) Expectations are a two way thing. I work for you, you work for me. Every one is happy if successful. TEAMWORK. We on the east have seen one way for far too long, and it doesn't seem to be any different, here, at this juncture.

Whatever, go kill your airline.

Do what you want, its all about you anyways.

Evidently, you are entitled to your job.

Oh, and that was my opinion, if you want to personally attack me for having an opinion, go ahead, but its a pretty lame way to argue.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

Whatever, go kill your airline.

parker, kirby, and travis are taking care of that...

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Whatever, go kill your airline.

Sandcastle is doing a GREAT job doing that. How many times does the East employees have to give concessions? They earned it and have the right to complain, while DoUgIe Parker and his gang keep taking their bonuses. Southwest CEO only made $926,000 last year. Do I need to say anymore.

 

[Squonk]

:boring:

 

[awausairtech]

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