East vs. West

[Travelpro72]

Again I must ask, "What does it matter NOW"? The point is?

 

[320driver]

Whatever, go kill your airline.

Do what you want, its all about you anyways.

Evidently, you are entitled to your job.

Oh, and that was my opinion, if you want to personally attack me for having an opinion, go ahead, but its a pretty lame way to argue.

I agree 1000 percent with everything you write. It is kind of funny that whineybob and buffalohoe still have to put there 2 cents in things that dont pertain to them why dont Whiney go to midwest boards and complain and get into there business since he is done with US. I see I go away on a trip and these 2 still dont have a life outside these boards go complain somewhere else and maybe you can get more free stuff from them too.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

I agree 1000 percent with everything you write. It is kind of funny that whineybob and buffalohoe still have to put there 2 cents in things that dont pertain to them why dont Whiney go to midwest boards and complain and get into there business since he is done with US. I see I go away on a trip and these 2 still dont have a life outside these boards go complain somewhere else and maybe you can get more free stuff from them too.

YugoDriver
I spent over $37,000 on flights alone last year, most likely more than you make. 100 Fliers such as myself take our business other places , US would lose $3.7 Million.

Oh, wipe your nose and lips, there is some brown stuff lurking around!

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

It is kind of funny that whineybob and buffalohoe still have to put there 2 cents in things that dont pertain to them

excuse me? "don't pertain to them"? they are CUSTOMERS--this most certainly pertains to them!! without "them", there would be no you!!
did you stop at DoUgIe's for a few beers before typing this nonsense??
utterly incomprehensible...

 

[320driver]

excuse me? "don't pertain to them"? they are CUSTOMERS--this most certainly pertains to them!! without "them", there would be no you!!
did you stop at DoUgIe's for a few beers before typing this nonsense??
utterly incomprehensible...

ok tool if you look at the thread it says east vs west not east vs west and whineybob and buffalohoe. excuse me but we would still have been AWA without you. now go play in traffic.

 

[320driver]

Great Minds discuss concepts
Average Minds discuss event
Small minds discuss people 😛

Now why don't you run along on over to the Gay Pride thread, I'm sure you have something homophobic to add there. 😛



I've flown TWO WEEKS on Midwest and 7 Years on US. Last time I looked I don't need your permission to post here or fly whomever I desire to.

Not to put to fine a point on it but Midwest doesn't have its own board because they are a regional airline just like HP was before it merged with a real airline. You know the other half of the current Cluster known as the "new" US Airways. The eastern half where ALL of the profit was generated in '06.

A profit that I will remind you that you and all that scarry regional airline talent did NOTHING to earn the profit sharing that was given to you by the US East ALPA
What free stuff are you referring to? The $700.00+ in vouchers that US Airways gave me when I approached them with some concerns I had on a few flights? That's not a freebie it's compensation that was NEVER asked for by me. US saw fit to give it to me because of THEIR SCREW-UPS!

In the future you may refer to me as "Salary Provider" or "Valued Customer".

I'll be doing some flying on HP metal in a week or so, mostly A320 maybe you'll get lucky and have me on a flight. The we can see if your alligator mouth on here is really a hummingbird arse in person.

I hope you fly HP metal and start off with your mouth about how we suck and any thing else you would like to complain about you would find most AWA pilots would have you kindly removed from the flight and wont give you a second thought trust me if you disrepected any of the people that I worked with I would take great pride in ejecting your whiney ARSE from the plane and there aint a damn thing you can do but contuine to whiney and then you can take your bosses money not yours and travel on your prefect midwest express remember you are a employee not a boss where on the other hand I am the boss when it comes to you flying on my plane and as for salary provider the fare you pay I spend that much in a hour taking care of my crew. You will find most crews at AWA have other things to do in life than fly because we didnt put all of our eggs in one basket and hoped we can live. Most AWA pilots fly because we love flying not because it is a Job. When I leave the cockpit that is what I do leave it but when you want to talk smack about the west then that is when you stepped on your privated because we cant stand people like you always whining always find a fault big or small like you said you are taking your bossess money to midwest then go and dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out

 

[Dog Wonder]

Another East/West difference.
East wants to provide a service that will keep customers.
West wants customers to lower their expectations or leave.

 

[320driver]

I'm forever amazed at your level of maturity and command of the English Language.

I often ponder how someone as articulate as you could ever be satisfied with being a pilot. I mean heck with your verbal talents you could easily be "Assistant Janitor" at the YMCA.

I will give you this you indeed still would have been "America Worst" without me or the PROFIT and thereby Profit Sharing generated by the Old US Airways.

A third rate regional airline with the underwhelming DOT stats to match.

I might be a YMCA janitor(but I guess you look down on all people who you think are lower than you on the social ladder) I for one am not I am proud to be a pilot and I am proud to be able to fly some of the most advanced airplanes. But you know as for looking down on people I look down on you because you are nothing but aperson trying to get things for free by complaining about the most small things. And yes it might sound like I have a god complex but you know he gave me the ability to fly and do it good.

 

[UWCactus]

Great Minds discuss concepts
Average Minds discuss event
Small minds discuss people 😛

Now why don't you run along on over to the Gay Pride thread, I'm sure you have something homophobic to add there. 😛



I've flown TWO WEEKS on Midwest and 7 Years on US. Last time I looked I don't need your permission to post here or fly whomever I desire to.

Not to put to fine a point on it but Midwest doesn't have its own board because they are a regional airline just like HP was before it merged with a real airline. You know the other half of the current Cluster known as the "new" US Airways. The eastern half where ALL of the profit was generated in '06.

A profit that I will remind you that you and all that scarry regional airline talent did NOTHING to earn the profit sharing that was given to you by the US East ALPA
What free stuff are you referring to? The $700.00+ in vouchers that US Airways gave me when I approached them with some concerns I had on a few flights? That's not a freebie it's compensation that was NEVER asked for by me. US saw fit to give it to me because of THEIR SCREW-UPS!

In the future you may refer to me as "Salary Provider" or "Valued Customer".

I'll be doing some flying on HP metal in a week or so, mostly A320 maybe you'll get lucky and have me on a flight. The we can see if your alligator mouth on here is really a hummingbird arse in person.

Piney..you loser you're at it again. First off, lets get this straight, East generated profits, but not without the merger...don't forget that. This company (combined) are getting revenue from the west operation that they didn't have before...so knock off your crap! The west operation never made money hand and fist, but they weren't losing money as fast as East was, therefore putting the two of them together brought profits.

CUT YOUR CRAP ABOUT EAST MAKING THE MONEY, it simply isn't all true. Here's more! East is not the East you once knew!!! NEVER WILL BE AGAIN!! It is not a new company with a completely different business model! Haven't you figured that out yet! If you didnt like America West, you will probably never like East again and it's apparent you don't like East right now anyway. You are far worse than other passenger that I have spoken to in your negative, "i have no life" bashing that you do.

Please jump ship unless you can start sharing good stories on a consistent basis.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Please jump ship unless you can start sharing good stories on a consistent basis.

OK, Piney now you have done it.

Give Travis Christ a call and find out what you are supposed to post.

 

[UWCactus]

Bob, you're right. This late in the game it really doesn't matter who bought whom. I, for one, am tired of getting screwed, but we all seem to keep bending over and taking it! I mean really, when does all the infighting stop? :angry:

The employee groups need to realize that unless we ALL stand together then we are ALL going to get screwed one way or another. The management of this company has been pretty adept at playing both sides against each other ("east" vs. "west") and some of us are buying into that crap. Hello...union busting 101 anyone?

We ALL need to just do OUR jobs and only OUR jobs per our manuals, contracts etc. I keep hoping we'll get our collective a**es in gear before it's too late. So, regardless of who bought whom we are stuck in this together and at the end of the day we will be partly responsible for how this all turns out.........

I dont' think that management is play both sides against each other...I do not beleive that. The employees do a pretty good job of separating themselves on their own. Just because we don't have a single contract for some work groups, does not indicate managment playing sides against each other. BS

As a FF when the merger happened I thought it would be great. But now 18 months later, Tempe has NO clue what to do. They can care less about the FF. They want to attract the $49 fare people. As a FF, I personally rarely have more than 2 days notice before I fly, so I am buying Regular Coach Fares. My average travel is about 150,000 miles a year. I spent $37,000 last year alone on flights. Tempe is turning this into a "Trailer-Trash Airlines". Even Southwest Airlines offers more, and they have more legroom in coach. I generally do not ask for upgrades to FC, which I probably entitled to, but thats my perogative. Don't hold your chin up too high, HP was always at the bottom. Oh yes number one in complaints. And which was nearly shut down by the FAA? HP. Who made a profit last year for US Airways? The East. Why? Cause the East employees keep getting their wages cut. DoUgIe Parker and his clowns are doing nothing but driving customers away. They can not admit their own mistakes. The problems with SHARES cutover they pushed the blame on the employees. Is that good management?

What the EMPLOYEES need to do is UNITE against the Current Management. Try to keep their Business Traveling Customers, not the $49 fares. For what I pay for some flights, I should have 10-15 Seats.

It makes no difference what the "class" of the passengers are. This is a business just like any other and the business must make money, no matter who's butt is in the seat. I don't know where you get the idea that managment blamed the employees for the SHARES cutover. I dont' remember anyone saying that at all, so don't twist things around.

Then why quote a whole post or even respond at all.

If all of these "folk" want to work for US then how come the turnover is so high at the entry level??

The folks on the east actually worked for a "real" airline. One that at one time had the BEST Business Class service to Europe of any Domestic Carrier. Several Travel mags marveled at the service. You could look it up.

When you're a third rate regional carrier that thinks international is Canada & Mexico you don't miss what you never had!!

Now that you're trying to be a "Real Airline" your expert management is being found wanting by customers and employees alike. Even your very own beer soaked CEO was quoted as saying "We haven't been running a very good airline", Maybe that's progress! At least now we have customers, Employees and Management all saying the same thing.

"Real Airline" Bob, this is where you miss the boat........US Airways IS NO LONGERr what it was...and IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE!!!! Get it through your thick skull. The business model is a Low Operating Cost Airline.

If you had purchased $1000.00 of US Airways stock in 2001 and purchased $10000 of America West stock in 2001 guess who made the money? Yes. The guy that bought America West stock is now worth over 22,000.00. Who survives here? The "old" US Airways stock was worthless. Luck for me..I bought and owned both and I'm sitting pretty good right now.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

I hope you fly HP metal and start off with your mouth about how we suck and any thing else you would like to complain about you would find most AWA pilots would have you kindly removed from the flight and wont give you a second thought trust me if you disrepected any of the people that I worked with I would take great pride in ejecting your whiney ARSE from the plane and there aint a damn thing you can do but contuine to whiney and then you can take your bosses money not yours and travel on your prefect midwest express remember you are a employee not a boss where on the other hand I am the boss when it comes to you flying on my plane and as for salary provider the fare you pay I spend that much in a hour taking care of my crew. You will find most crews at AWA have other things to do in life than fly because we didnt put all of our eggs in one basket and hoped we can live. Most AWA pilots fly because we love flying not because it is a Job. When I leave the cockpit that is what I do leave it but when you want to talk smack about the west then that is when you stepped on your privated because we cant stand people like you always whining always find a fault big or small like you said you are taking your bossess money to midwest then go and dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out

YugoDriver,
Its NOT the employees (Pilots, Fa's, GA's Ramp, Customer Service) that we have issues with, its the management. The way they are doing things, Yes I have a right to complain cause, YES I AM A CUSTOMER. Just like in my job, I have clients that are unique, I try to accommondate their needs. I do not try to piss them off, cause I can lose them to competition. Every client is valueable, whether they are a one time only, or an assist on site customer. Each an every customer adds to my salary. If they want to b!tch and moan about something, I try to resolve it in any way possible. Sometimes there are things that go wrong after a job may be complete, but we are right there to fix it. There are unforseen problems that come up, but as a whole we make sure our Clients needs are taking care of properly and efficiently, thus they never b!tch and moan. My clients are good customers.

The way Tempe is changing stuff, is it for the better? About East vs West, the East have been thru several givebacks, several different styles of management. But as a customer, I am paying good money to fly, if you just want the $49 fare people, see how long it works. Its like anything in, You get what you pay for. Pay cheap you get cheap. Pay alot, you get better quality/better product. Sure I know the company wants to make money, which it should. But treating a customer who spends $37k the same as a person who spent $49, is that right. I agree that everybody deserves decent service, but I don't want to be treated like sh!t either. How efficient is Your management? The web site, the cutover gone wrong, insufficient training of employees. It make me wonder how they are training their employees in safety.
Have a Good Day!

 

[REACC1]

Whatever, go kill your airline.

Do what you want, its all about you anyways.

Evidently, you are entitled to your job.

Oh, and that was my opinion, if you want to personally attack me for having an opinion, go ahead, but its a pretty lame way to argue.

To me it sounds like it's all about you.
You say you are entitled to an opinion, and at the same time everyone opining from the east is whining. (Camus was right!)
You're retired, what do you care? It's not the military.
I'm entitled to it unless I screw up royally. Can you say the same thing about the people running this circus? My opinion, among others, is that they are screwing up royally. I'm going to do my job and hope they see the light and do something right. More than happy to cheer them on in that case, but I'm not holding my breath.
Doing what I do for a living could hardly "kill" an airline. It pays the bills. Management can "kill" an airline. There are many examples. It is my desire to pay the bills. Yes, it is selfish to want to survive and work for a company that made better decisions. You gotta admit, HP rarely got cudos from the ratings they received. Usually highest in consumer complaints of all the major carriers. I watched it for years and U wasn't far behind in most cases. You would think that they would want to do something about that, but neither airline seemed to care. It's frustrating on so many levels.
LCC;
a.) they should honor contracts.
b.) they should pay attention to what customers are saying.
c.) they should pay attention to what employees are saying.
1) and take a, b and c seriously and do something positive.
Arrogance is not an asset, it is a liability. B)
(here's another opportunity to give your opinion)

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

ok tool if you look at the thread it says east vs west not east vs west and whineybob and buffalohoe. excuse me but we would still have been AWA without you. now go play in traffic.

i wish this trailer park you call an airline would still be called AWA!!
"go play in traffic"? wow! you really are incapable of anything substantive aren't you?

 

[as the prop turns]

What and the east isn't battle tested? I mean really, do you even know how many bankruptcies they have been through? Can you name even one of the many CEO's that have jacked them around? Jeez...I think they probably wrote the book on being battle tested. I'm not one to run to the east's defense mainly because they are better at defending themselves, but c'mon they have a right to complain. We all do. This industry we have choosen to make our career is not for the faint at heart. Just like we b***h about our past, they have a right to b***h about theirs.

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't drag the rest of the west with you. Inflamatory posts such as yours only serve to benefit the management of this airline by further divinding a group that is already fractured.

You'll have to excuse me while I go get some popcorn. I have a feeling this is all going to get really good once the easties see your post. 😱 :jerry: