"Easties" out West

[USstew23]

From the FA contract.
SEC 7-15 paragraph 3.
The company shall have no telephone contact with Flight Attendants during rest periods except in Company-related emergencies including RESCHEDULES, REROUTES, IRREGULAR OPERATIONS or for PERSONAL EMERGENCIES. Crew Resources shall use its best judgment when contacting a Flight Attendant at a layover station and, in most cases, shall not contact a Flight Attendant prior to (2) hours before departure. Flight Attendants will not "block" incoming calls while on a layover.

Yes but the thing is that you guys operate EVERYTHING as irregular and you ALWAYS use IRREGULAR as an excuse. I think it's wonderful that they accidentally turned over in the heat of the night and knocked the phone off the hook, and since you DO NOT pay the Flight Attendant's cell phone bills I guess calling that is mute as well.

It does not matter if it goes east or if they get a whole new scheduling dept. You will never be happy and we will hear the same old thing scheduling sucks.

I just have a question for you. Do you know your contract pertaining to hours of service, scheduling, deadheading, crew accommodations, reserves, sick leave and international flying?

I would say only a very small percentage of the FA group knows anything about the contract.

I have talked to many FA's and pilots who had no idea what was legal and what was not. And I have told them time and time again if you have any questions dont hesitate to call scheduling we will walk them thru the contract section in question. Very few have asked for help understanding it at all.

Of course crewmembers will always think that scheduling sucks, I guess that's just the name of the game. I feel sorry for scheduling sometimes most of us know you guys have a difficult job and I for one feel for some of the schedulers. However, since some of our furloughees (and most of them being excellent employees for the company at least prior to this) have had the "opportunity" to come out to the West the rest of us now know how bad those poor West reserves have it and now EVERYONE will fight for change for them. It's not only that the contract for RSVs out West is poorly written it's that some in scheduling have made the comment that they are in "control", when in reality you actually are not.

 

[sgaz]

Yes we in scheduling do alot of tagging. And yes the reserves do not like it. But as long as your on reserve your available to the comapany. We will not use a HOT because they are there for the late sick calls which we get constantly, or the inbound sick call because a line holder does not want to do the last turn of the trip or because an FA does a no show. It does not matter if there is 15 FA's in the hot room or not they are not going to be used unless its a last resort. Autos are just a small number of trips that are tagged onto reserves.

 

[sgaz]

Yes we in scheduling do alot of tagging. And yes the reserves do not like it. But as long as your on reserve your available to the comapany. We will not use a HOT because they are there for the late sick calls which we get constantly, or the inbound sick call because a line holder does not want to do the last turn of the trip or because an FA does a no show. It does not matter if there is 15 FA's in the hot room or not they are not going to be used unless its a last resort. Autos are just a small number of trips that are tagged onto reserves.

If this is true????????? then why does phx schedulers extend reserve sitting hot to give them a trip that is more than a two hour call out??????? that should be given to someone either being tagged or on Standby at home?????? I have been in phx for 3 years and the one consistant is that there is (for the most part) NO consistancy with how schedulers do what they do. We are told "thats who its always been" which is bull anal relief!!! (pardon the language) Trips were ALWAYS assigned out in the hot room by hours. whoever has the lowest hours and is good for the amount of days needed for the trip, then that person is assigned the trip. As of last month, some schedulers are telling reserves that it is now first in first out of the hot room. When questioned they say "its always been that way". A LOT of west schedulers are violating the contract right and left because of their poor lack of planning. They have this us and them mantality that is getting us nowhere!!!! we are in this together folks!!!! Lets work together and do things they way they are supposed to be done. If schedulers keep screwing reserves they will continue to quit and that makes schedulings job even more difficult. Sorry for the soapbox but I dare not say this for fear of jinxing us all LOL, but it can only get better from here. EAST & WEST need to work together on a single contract that is right and fair!!!!! We need consitancy for the reserves. Consitancy in the information given by schedulers and most importantly CORRECT information!!!! no making up the rules as you go and telling reserves to "fly it and grieve it later". Thats the utmost in disrespect and abuse of their position.

 

[nyprincess]

So hot is used for late sick calls? Then why is when I'm sitting hot I get extended over my 5 hr sit and get a trip that has a check in 3 hrs later?

 

[hula-flyguy]

So hot is used for late sick calls? Then why is when I'm sitting hot I get extended over my 5 hr sit and get a trip that has a check in 3 hrs later?

I'm just dieing to meet a scheduler who thinks they are in "control"

 

[nyprincess]

I'm just dieing to meet a scheduler who thinks they are in "control"

come to phx my friend....

 

[sgaz]

You miss the point....the schedulers have no job(union) protection, therefore why would they not follow the contract/far's/and company policy?...buh bye wiggle room

lets keep the bigger picture in mind guys - this goes beyond the schedulers, its also their management - Mr Finn and Ms. Runk do NOT know how to run scheduling for phx's 2500 fa's how in the world are they going to figure out 10,000?!?!?!?!?

 

[whodoiworkfor]

lets keep the bigger picture in mind guys - this goes beyond the schedulers, its also their management - Mr Finn and Ms. Runk do NOT know how to run scheduling for phx's 2500 fa's how in the world are they going to figure out 10,000?!?!?!?!?

EXACTLY, I do not necessarily blame the schedulers, most are nice to me but I have heard stories. I believe they are doing what management tells them to do and it makes me more firmly believe that management is the enemy! WE (West and East) need to come together to get something that works for ALL of us.

 

[Skyward]

I am a east flight attendant now on the west. Scheduling here is not the same as the east. Tagging is a joke. Hot room(OPR) can be extended for 10 hours in a day. If you are on duty stand-by from 7am until 7pm, scheduling can call you at 6:45pm and assign you a red eye that night. Even though you were on duty since 7am. I only have to do reserve until the intergration is complete, then I will get my date of hire and hold a block. The crews here are great and fun to work with. They have loads of questions for us easties and can't believe how much better scheduling is on the east.

Some crew still think that America West bought us. Which creates some conflict. There is some friction between the crews.

crewgirl, et al:

Do you know for certain that you'll automatically be able to stay based in PHX when integration is complete?

I understand that you will revert to your date of hire after integration, and furthermore, ONLY after you would have been recalled in current East seniority order. However, at that point wouldn't you have to bid for a vacancy in PHX or return to a vacant US East base?

As you mention, your 5+ years of seniority would presently hold a block in PHX, but what if someone with more seniority than you wanted to transfer into PHX to hold a block?

Was there a grandfather PHX base clause in accepting the temporary new hire position with AWA?

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

crewgirl, et al:

Do you know for certain that you'll automatically be able to stay based in PHX when integration is complete?

I understand that you will revert to your date of hire after integration, and furthermore, ONLY after you would have been recalled in current East seniority order. However, at that point wouldn't you have to bid for a vacancy in PHX or return to a vacant US East base?

As you mention, your 5+ years of seniority would presently hold a block in PHX, but what if someone with more seniority than you wanted to transfer into PHX to hold a block?

Was there a grandfather PHX base clause in accepting the temporary new hire position with AWA?

FYI most of the people who went to the West could have been recalled to the East in June ,so they will get their senority at intergration...and no they will not have to leave PHX...they went there to fill openings, which won't just go away, once they get their senority back!

 

[USstew23]

FYI most of the people who went to the West could have been recalled to the East in June ,so they will get their senority at intergration...and no they will not have to leave PHX...they went there to fill openings, which won't just go away, once they get their senority back!

RIGHT ON THE MONEY GENIE!!

crewgirl, et al:

Do you know for certain that you'll automatically be able to stay based in PHX when integration is complete?
YES

I understand that you will revert to your date of hire after integration, and furthermore, ONLY after you would have been recalled in current East seniority order. However, at that point wouldn't you have to bid for a vacancy in PHX or return to a vacant US East base?
NO THEY DO NOT HAVE BID FOR PHX AGAIN.

As you mention, your 5+ years of seniority would presently hold a block in PHX, but what if someone with more seniority than you wanted to transfer into PHX to hold a block?
THEN IF THERE IS AN OPENING THAT PERSON JUST FALLS IN WHEREVER THEY FIT.

Was there a grandfather PHX base clause in accepting the temporary new hire position with AWA?
YES THEY FALL IN ON THE AWA SENIORITY LIST WITH THEIR FIRST TRAINING DATE AT AWA UNTIL INTEGRATION THEN DOH AS LONG AS THEY WOULD'VE RECEIVED A RECALL LETTER IN THE MEANTIME.

 

[Zarah]

http://www.afausairways.org/Restructure/TAfinal.doc

http://www.afausairways.org/Eline/jan20_06.htm

😀

 

[Furloughd4now]

Then there's the wiggle room, at least in some circumstances....At least from what's been posted here, it sounds like HP scheduling automatically tags (either at the end of their trip or called from home) a reserve rather than use HOT reserves when enough may be available.

Jim

Can't tell what schedulung does to assign trips ... some reserves get over 100 hours, some only get 50 (a month). I've sat hot (OPR) at the airport 0800-1300. Open trips on on the computer for hours and yet they'll assign it to a hot reserve instead of giving it to a standby. Call out for a standby is 2 hours minimum.

In addition, they're supposed assign trips in credit hour or seniority order and they don't do any of that.

I think they throw darts on a board with our numbers.

TAGGING? YUK! I was on the last day of a 3 day (15 hr credit), expecting to get released at 0830, they called my hotel room at 0500 and tagged me with a turn and THEN A TRANSCON WITH A 10 HOUR LAYOVER, report time next day was 0645,,,, translates into 0345 pacific time.

West crews? Most are great. I find people with less than 10 years seniority as the most "threatened" and have the bad attitudes. I try to be diplomatic. Pilots are downright pissed off and most do not like "the East". most likely because they are feeling a little "threatened" also.


the money is the worst and the inability to get decent trips on off-days to pick up extra mulah. The restrictions are horrid.

Regards,

(soon to be renamed "FurloughdNoMo"

 

[HP_JACK]

From the FA contract.
SEC 7-15 paragraph 3.
The company shall have no telephone contact with Flight Attendants during rest periods except in Company-related emergencies including RESCHEDULES, REROUTES, IRREGULAR OPERATIONS or for PERSONAL EMERGENCIES. Crew Resources shall use its best judgment when contacting a Flight Attendant at a layover station and, in most cases, shall not contact a Flight Attendant prior to (2) hours before departure. Flight Attendants will not "block" incoming calls while on a layover.

Your a scheduler huh? In phoenix? I luv it. Why do you people continue to call hotel rooms to tag people? We know we have to call when we come thru phoenix. Don't you think if I want to know if I have been tagged that I will call you? Why are you violating the contract then? I honestly don't know how you people sleep at night.

 

[Travelpro72]

I don't understand how you could be at your hotel on your FAA required rest from flying and receive a phone call from scheduling. You are on rest because the FAA requires you to be. Regardless of the matter, work should not call you unless it pertains to your departing flight in the morning. ANYTHING else can wait until you reach the airport or hear it from the captain through ACARS. That is outright BULL. There is also something obviously wrong with trips that sit open for hours and not covered in the manner they are to do so. How do they continue to get away with that? THIS is the kind of stuff that will NEVER fly. Section 6 folks....ALL THE WAY. A better negotiated contract on the west will translate to a better contract for EVERYONE to work under. We both have bad contracts. You WILL have our support. I'm pretty sure thats safe to say.