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EX-TWA F/A's want their seniority

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They properly represented the dues paying members. They continue to do so. There is no contradiction in union principles, they are bound to represent their dues paying members.

And the APFA, ever so arrogant had very little foresight into the fruits of what the staple decision would produce. APFA isn't used to being questioned by it's membership, clearly they weren't prepared for the tenacity of informed,vigilant, and pissed off future members.
Former TWA f/a have been instrumental in changing the law to make sure this never happens again to another work force. Any way that APFA justifies their actions, the same actions taken today would be unlawful.
Unscrambling the eggs means progress and justice. Although the voice of the majority can be loud, it is not always fair or just...prop. 8 comes to mind.
 
You're right about the outcome if it were to be brought up for a vote. The APFA got away with the staple job...........until now.

What I really can't understand, from a union point of view, is how the APFA did this to us, but would never allow it to happen to them. It's a contradiction in union principles. But then again no other F/A union agreed with our staple job either. The APFA has now become the poster child for unethical union principles.


Greedy APFA leaders beware, the staapled folk are gathering pitchforks and headed your way!
You wonder "how this could of happened" to the ex-TWA F/As when it never happened to anyone else before? Perhaps because this was the first time a union waived their protections as demanded by a purchaser as a condition for the asset purchase to go forward. You got a far superior deal than the PA F/As got at DL. In that case, DL hired, after an interview, who THEY wanted and NOT IN SENIORITY ORDER. In other words they offered a 10 year Pan Am F/A a job while a 40 year Pan Am F/A got NO offer of employment.

"The APFA got away with the staple job........until now." :lol: :lol: What do you mean until now? :lol: :lol: How are you going to force the APFA to give you your TWA seniority? You lost all your lawsuits. You have no leverage. All you can do is cry and complain. The list is final. The APFA will not cave in to your demands because of the uproar it will cause with associated lawsuits. AA will not want to suffer the consequences in terms of poor service that would occur as a result of 16,000 POed AA F/As. Face it, you didn't hit the seniority jackpot at AA and your bitter. Like Bob Owens said, there are many ex-EAL F/As who fought (and lost their EAL careers) to prevent the Lorenzo virus from spreading who had to start all over at the bottom and now have about 19 years of actual AA time; and yes we had some 30 and 40 year F/As at EAL.

If you feel you were so wronged, then why don't you go after the IAM? Why don't you file a lawsuit against them? After all, it was they who waived your seniority protection; it was they( not APFA and not AA) who had a legal duty to protect you. Could it be that you are afraid that they will be able produce irrefutable evidence in a court a law that had they not waived your protections as demanded by AA that TWA would have shut it doors for good 2 days later?
 
Thank you for your input, sans the mocking smiley faces, but regardless of how you feel the staple job was justified, we will continue with our message and fight for justice.

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Greedy APFA leaders beware, the staapled folk are gathering pitchforks and headed your way!
 
And the APFA, ever so arrogant had very little foresight into the fruits of what the staple decision would produce. APFA isn't used to being questioned by it's membership, clearly they weren't prepared for the tenacity of informed,vigilant, and pissed off future members.
Former TWA f/a have been instrumental in changing the law to make sure this never happens again to another work force. Any way that APFA justifies their actions, the same actions taken today would be unlawful.
Unscrambling the eggs means progress and justice. Although the voice of the majority can be loud, it is not always fair or just...prop. 8 comes to mind.
No, the APFA had the foresight to know what would have happened had they stapled their own members below the TWA F/As; lawsuits, lawsuits, and more lawsuits. And needless to say those in office would have NEVER been reelected.

By the way, the vast majority that support prop 8 (banning gay marriage) base their position on Biblical morals.

It would have been immoral for the employees of a failed company to steal the seniority of the employees at a profitable one.
 
Thank you for your input, sans the mocking smiley faces, but regardless of how you feel the staple job was justified, we will continue with our message and fight for justice.

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Greedy APFA leaders beware, the staapled folk are gathering pitchforks and headed your way!
Fight for justice? Does that mean you are going to sue the IAM?
 
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If you want to undo stuff, I would like to undo the whole purchase of TWA. That way you would have nothing else to complain about on here. You can have all the S-80's back at their higher lease rates and you can get STL back as well. Don't forget you also get Icahn and Caribu as well. Good luck with your life, it seems that you are a very sad person who continues to dwell on the past and can't move on. That is only going to continue to cause you heartache.
 
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If you want to undo stuff, I would like to undo the whole purchase of TWA. That way you would have nothing else to complain about on here. You can have all the S-80's back at their higher lease rates and you can get STL back as well. Don't forget you also get Icahn and Caribu as well. Good luck with your life, it seems that you are a very sad person who continues to dwell on the past and can't move on. That is only going to continue to cause you heartache.

So anyone who continues to fight for a cause that they believe in or feel is unjust, in your eyes is a sad and bitter person who needs to get a life? Thank you for your input International Chicago Flight Attendant, but we all have lives... (looks like yours was vastly improved by the purchase of our LHR routes..wouldja like to undo that too?)...WE just arent willing to continue to roll over everytime APFA is in the mood to screw someone.
Do you actually think that APFA wouldn't have tried to do the same thing to a f/a workforce whose company wasn't in TWA's finacial situation? Get real,,, It's now illegal to do what they did to our workforce.
 
It is illegal to do it with out going through an arbitrator. It is possible an arbitrator could do just that.
 
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If you want to undo stuff, I would like to undo the whole purchase of TWA. That way you would have nothing else to complain about on here. You can have all the S-80's back at their higher lease rates and you can get STL back as well. Don't forget you also get Icahn and Caribu as well. Good luck with your life, it seems that you are a very sad person who continues to dwell on the past and can't move on. That is only going to continue to cause you heartache.


Oh, please...give us back our airline. Then we won't have to ever, ever hear the phrase: "our industry leading contract" again. Going back to Icahn, Caribu and funky old MD-80's (see, now they're back to "our name" for them) would be a treat rather than having to deal with "we're AA, and we always have done it this way" employees. "We're AA and you are soooooo lucky to be here, you poor little peasant TWA people". "We're AA, and while we know you don't like being at the bottom of the heap, why we're so attached to our position of right that we haven't had time to really think about the morality of our behavior and we don't care anyway. Might makes right with us, you know....so we'll just turn our noses up and dismiss you." " We're AA, and though we know you were promised certain things during all those tedious old hearings in front of the government, particularly fair-and-equitable, and oh by the way, STL being yours to keep, why it's just not convenient for us to do that now so you just run along, take your little furlough and leave....you're so tiresome when you keep nagging at us and it just makes us more tired".

Give us back the company we fought for, and struggled for and, please note, won awards from JD Powers for. We'll let you have your downward slide which you've started - it's familiar to us,....been there and done that. We don't want to do it all over again.The difference being is that when ours started, we soon became an employee-owned company and we all pushed and pulled and struggled together and worked as a team . Unfortunately, AA is standing knee deep in water and the employees still think they're in the top branches of the $ tree. I'll lay my last dollar in my little savings account that the AA employees will be standing around with large, surprised looks on their faces by the time the negotiations have finished.....there's not going to be any big pay raise, folks, so in actuality you are going to be where WE were. Surprised?

We'll take back our Company so that, once again, the pax lined up in the jetway will see someone who, at least periodically, pops up from his or her head in a cart, and says "Hi...welcome!". What a contrast to all those paying people who file on with no greeting, no welcome, no nothing. We'll take back our Company so that we can once again do a REQUIRED 20 minute walkthrough in the cabin, rather than half-heartedly doing the service and then retiring to the last row not to be seen again.
We'll take back our Company so that we can operate in an atmosphere that doesn't encourage snitching by having a special phone number to use to report our fellow employees. And last, we'll take back our Company so that we don't have to deal with the arrogance of employees that make posts that neglect to acknowledge the fact that those old, shabby (and some new and quite nice) "Super 80's" were not the only things that AA benefitted by. The AA workforce has benefitted greatly from the additon of the TWA folk - first and foremost because we've been used as a furlough cushion. And that, my friends, will come to an end. Mark your diaries.....it WILL come to an end.
 
This thread is closed. When we get to the "all AA f/as are evil, lazy, fill in the blank" and "all TW f/as are like the Virgin Mary--without sin or error", there is nothing productive to pursue from that point.
 
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